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Old 14-01-19, 08:07 AM
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Thought I would share my rare Maxim Machine Gun proficiency badge which was first established in ‘NZ Regulation No. 601 of December 1907’.

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Interesting badge - if it turned up in Britain I'd probably just immediately think "Mortar" rather than "Maxim", not paying much attention to the style of "M".
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NZ Volunteers/Territorials commonly used old English characters on proficiency badges from 1895 up until the end of WW1.
Many NZ proficiency badges were direct copies of British badges, so am interested if this old English style "M" was used by the British or any other Commonwealth countries?
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I think not - cue "grumpy" (and others).
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NZ Volunteers/Territorials commonly used old English characters on proficiency badges from 1895 up until the end of WW1.
Many NZ proficiency badges were direct copies of British badges, so am interested if this old English style "M" was used by the British or any other Commonwealth countries?
The old style 'M' was not worn in the British Army and as Leigh states the normal style letter 'M' was not used until 1957.

A nice and no doubt rare badge.

Is it possible for you to attach the ‘NZ Regulation No. 601 of December 1907’.

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The old style 'M' was not worn in the British Army and as Leigh states the normal style letter 'M' was not used until 1957.

A nice and no doubt rare badge.

Is it possible for you to attach the ‘NZ Regulation No. 601 of December 1907’.

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Unfortunately I do not have a copy of Regulation No. 601, but I do have a an article published 18th December 1907 that mentions 601 and also Regulation No. 418A that it was attached to.



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The following advertisement is dated 15th December 1916.
P. Robert & Co were the main supplier of NZ proficiency badges from 1895 up until 1917.
Note all 3 types of machine gun badges including Maxim are listed.




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Thankyou for all that additional information.

very useful.

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Sorry to hijack this post but was interested to see the "E in wreath" "Electrician" just above the maxim gunners badge.
Could it be this?
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Yes, got to be.

i remember you showing it and was non the wiser then, but after seeing the list .

Another early one. well done

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So Not British at all but An early NZ proficiency badge, and which I got from Canada lol
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A very interesting thread indeed,

Thank you to all.

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So Not British at all but An early NZ proficiency badge, and which I got from Canada lol
Sean,

I suppose we shouldnt discount Canada having a similar trade badge also?

They do have a few peculiar to themselves too.

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Sorry to hijack this post but was interested to see the "E in wreath" "Electrician" just above the maxim gunners badge.
Could it be this?
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Sorry Sean I do not think your "E" badge was made in New Zealand, if you could supply a picture of the back I should be able to confirm.

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This is my NZ Machine Gun Spider badge, it was generally only worn by NZ Reinforcements during WW1.



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