|
|
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
|
#1
|
||||
|
||||
Home Guard Z Batteries cap badges
I understand that Home Guard members who were employed on Anti Aircraft duties with Z ( rocket ) Batteries became members of the Royal Artillery. Is this an over simplification ?. Second question, did members of the Z Batteries wear R.A. cap badges.
Any assistance in helping me understand the organisation of these units would be appreciated. Thanks P.B.
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )” |
#2
|
||||
|
||||
Peter,
Good question and one I have never had answered satisfactorily. Lancashire had 2 AA Regiments (East & West). The 23rd at Salford with 5 Rocket batteries (101 at salford, 102 at Stretford, 103 at Manchester, 104 at manchetser & 105 in Rusholme) and the 24th in Liverpool with 5 Batteries (101 in Bootle, 102 in Liverpool, 103 in Liverpool, 104 in Preston & 105 in Barrow in Furness) I would like to know if they were badged to the local home guard, in the E. Lancs that would be a Manchester Regt cap badge and a 'MAN' sleeve badge. I believe they wore the black on Red AA Div arm badge also. There were also a multitude of other Factory based LAA troops also. Any information most welcome. regards
__________________
Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges Last edited by manchesters; 16-04-16 at 04:23 PM. |
#3
|
||||
|
||||
Simon,
The 102 West Lancs battalion certainly wore both the HG style arm designation and the AA Command sign. The Z Batteries don't seem to be mentioned on some Home Guard websites : http://www.home-guard.org.uk/hg/index.html They are listed in the R.A. part of Frederick. I agree, any information welcomed. Peter
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )” |
#4
|
||||
|
||||
Not at home at the moment, but, all the Home Guard Artillery Batteries should have been cap badged RA., in some cases they continued to wear what ever they had before. Although some of them were rather proud to wear the RA badge. In some Btys they used the AA Comd badge as a method of proficiency and was only worn once the individual had completed a conversion course and was proficient in the use of the equipment, the same applied to the Lanyard. All the Btys also had a RA ORBAT number such as
122 (101 East Lancashire HG) 'Z' Anti Aircraft Battery, wearing the EL / 101 sleeve badges. Marc |
#5
|
||||
|
||||
Thanks Marc,
So presumably personnel for the Z Batteries would be recruited from the local Home Guard Battalions and would have continued to wear the badge of their affiliated Regiments. What if personnel were recruited directly into Z Batteries, or did that not happen ? I also presume that, if and when R.A. badges were adopted , they would have worn the R.A. grenade collar in the field service cap ? Peter
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )” |
#6
|
||||
|
||||
Bought at a carboot in Slough in the '90s. Regards, Paul. (Greatcoat and FS cap, no other military items on sale)
BUX 101.jpg Last edited by wardog; 16-04-16 at 08:07 PM. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
My father, Jack McFadden was a 2nd Lt in the Home Guard (London 101) and commanded a troop of 'Z batteries' in Hyde Park during the war. I have a photo of him but unfortunately his cap badge is not clear.
Jack McFadden 2nd Lt Home Guard, London 101 Z Battery D Troop commander Hyde Park 1944 001.jpg |
#8
|
||||
|
||||
If you haven't got it already, you would be interested in Lon 101's published unit history '101 Up!'. Your father is listed as being of No.3 Relief, 'B' Troop.
|
#9
|
||||
|
||||
101 battery badge
I bought a Cambridgeshire BD with "CAM 101" plus F/S cap which had a normal Cambridgeshire cap badge on it, no sign of any Royal Artillery badges, only A/A Command formation sign.
Rob |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
"If you haven't got it already, you would be interested in Lon 101's published unit history '101 Up!'. Your father is listed as being of No.3 Relief, 'B' Troop."
Thanks for letting me know. I don't have a copy of that and understand it is quite rare and expensive. I will keep looking though. Last edited by Mr Spigot; 14-10-18 at 10:36 AM. |
#11
|
||||
|
||||
I'd never heard of these rocket batteries before but here are photo's of one and a rank of single tube ones.
__________________
Looking for a North Hampshire 37 Glengarry badge, genuine or place saver. |
#12
|
||||
|
||||
RAD,
Thanks and apologies I have only just seen your post. I do remember Fred but I last saw him many years ago. Peter
__________________
Interested in all aspects of militaria/military history but especially insignia and history of non regular units with a Liverpool connection Members welcome in my private Facebook group “The Kings Liverpool Regiment ( 1685-1958 )” |
#13
|
||||
|
||||
not very helpful Peter but here is a picture of the Wallasey HG Z Battery . Do you know the former militaria dealer Fred McEneany ... he was in this battery as a teenager, maybe he would remember or have some pics. ...
|
|
|