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What cap badges are used by RA Volunteers/TF?
As we all know the basic RA cap badge has as texts UBIQUE//QUO FAS/ET GLORIA/DUCUNT.
I have Gaylor here and it tells me that the volunteers from 1902-1908 (with designations ... Royal Garrison Artillery (Volunteers)) had white metal badges with VOLUNTEERS//QUO FAS/ET GLORIA/DUCUNT. He shows a few exceptions: For the 1st Hampshire Royal Garrison Artillery (Volunteers) the text FIRST//HANTS/R.G.A/VOLUNTEERS. For the 3rd Middlesex Royal Garrison Artillery (Volunteers) the text THIRD//MIDDLESEX/R.G.A./VOLUNTEERS. But he does not say if this is exhaustive. Thus my first question: where there more of these special badges and when yes, which ones. In 1908 all were reorganised in the Territorial Force. Until 1916 (when TF untis were also entitled to the standard badges) the designations were ... Brigade, Royal Field Artillery (TF) and the badge was laurel sprig//QUO FAS/ET GLORIA/DUCUNT. But The former 3rd Middlesex RGA (V) became V London Brigade Royal Field artillery (TF) and the badge was FIFTH//LONDON/R.F.A/BRIGADE. My second question: where there more of these? Also from Gaylor: two batteries in the Mounted Brigades that also had special texts. WARWICKSHIRE//ROYAL/HORSE/ARTILLERY WEST RIDING//ROYAL/HORSE/ARTILLERY Again: were there more?
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Henk,
You basically have it correct with a few additions as follows:- 1. Volunteers had VOLUNTEER or VOLUNTEERS 2. A version exists with CADET on the top scroll 3. OXFORD UNIVERSITY OTC has a version with that titles on the lower scrolls. 4. Warwickshire RHA was only in bronze for officers. 5. There are two WEST RIDING badges, one RHA (TF) and one RFA (TF) Now a word of caution -- DO NOT buy any of the named unit badges off ebay - NOT A SINGLE ONE is genuine. regards
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Thanks a lot for the quick reply and the extended information.
About your point 5. I have seen a picture of the second badge you mention there. It is W.RIDING//QUO FAS/ETGLORIA/DUCUNT. Thus it does not mention if it is for I, II, II or IV (Howitzer) Brigade (or 1st, 2nd.3rd, 4th Brigade, I am still not sure what the official designations are). Was this badge used by all four? BTW, I do not plan to buy any badge. I am no collector, I am interested in lineage and see the badges as illustrations only, e.g. the two badges of the 3rd Middx and the 5th London illustrate their continuity. But, being around on these forums for some time already, I am sure that your advice is a sound one.
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Hi Henk
About your point 5. I have seen a picture of the second badge you mention there. It is W.RIDING//QUO FAS/ETGLORIA/DUCUNT. Thus it does not mention if it is for I, II, II or IV (Howitzer) Brigade (or 1st, 2nd.3rd, 4th Brigade, I am still not sure what the official designations are). Was this badge used by all four? Norman Litchfield shows this in his The Territorial Artillery 1908-1988 as being for 3 WR Bde RFA (TF). He does surmise it could have been worn by all the West Riding brigades but thinks from its scarcity and the fact that 3 WR Bde was evolved from 4 West Yorks RGA(V) which had a similar badge that only this unit wore it. The W. RIDING badge is the only one I have not yet seen faked, probably because the fakers were confused by the WR RHA(TF) badge and didn't realise another WR badge existed. Simon's advice on the others on ebay is spot on. Keep up the good work with your lineage. Keith |
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Thanks a lot for this additional and very interesting information.
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And when yes, what was the badge? P.S. Thanks for the compliments. Does this mean that you know where to find them? I will update them in due time, specially the Volunteer/TF/TA Artillery part. Still working on that, but far from complete due to missing reliable information.
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Yes, the Norman Litchfield Collection contained an officers die-stamped silver-plated example with 4th W. RIDING in the top scroll and YORKSHIRE RGA VOLUNTEERS in the lower scrolls. There was a similar example in his collection for the 1st West Riding RGA(V) with 1st W. RIDING in the top scroll, remainder as above. It may be that the officers only of these corps wore special badges, the other ranks wearing just the normal badge with VOLUNTEERS/QUO FAS ET GLORIA DUCUNT. I have seen your work previously in regard to Australian infantry. Regards, Keith |
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Can I recommend the following books that deal specifically with lineage and contain much of the information you require. 1. Lineage Book of British Land Forces 1660 - 1978, 2 volumes by J.B.M. Frederick 1984. 2. The Militia Artillery 1852 -1909, by Norman E.H. Litchfield, 1987 3. The Volunteer Artillery, Litchfield 1982 4. The Territorial Artillery 1908-1988 Litchfield 1992 regards
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Thanks a lot. That will probably help much. I now rely on Wikipedia for the Artillery (for the Infantry I have Westlake and for the Mounted Rifles/Light Horse I have Carman). And of course for all on Regiments.org
I will certainly look into those and see if I can order them for a reasonable price. Again, thanks for all the trouble token to help me with direct or indirect information. Same of course for fairly63. Folks here are really helpful. I hope I can pay something back with my lineage charts at The Regiments of ....
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Henk,
Thats a fantastic and un believably detailed amount ow work. I have briefly flicked through part of Lancashire which is my particular interest and it looks splendid. Thank you. You really need Fredericks books they will be invaluable to you. regards
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges |
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Henk - you are to be congratulated on the most fantastic archive of lineage I have ever seen in over 40 years researching. Obviously a lifetime's work for you. The presentation, detail etc is quite remarkable. I dipped into various areas of interest and found the links work superbly. Many thanks for sharing, and hoping you work gains the full recognition it deserves. I am delighted to have found so much information from a single link. All the best Mike |
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