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#46
02-03-13, 06:25 PM
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Denbighshire Hussars (Yeomanry) 5171 Robert Wilkinson "Bob" Evans, pictured 1914. [Seated right] The chap, left, behind Bob is 5181 Henry William George DHY Sgt then 2nd Lt Lancs Hussars then Lt in the RWF. He entered the War in Egypt in 1916 with the DHY. * The photo (Post Card) was taken on the 20th May 1914 in Colwyn Bay.
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#48
02-03-13, 07:15 PM
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WD Sealed Pattern Cards
Officer (dated 1901 - "Officer hat & collar badge Denbighshire Hussars") Showing the Silver/Gilt ....oxidised Other Ranks (dated 1902 - "Badges Denbighshire Hussars Imperial Yeomanry Regiment") Showing "best Order" Collar, "Hussar" Cap bi-metal & brass shoulder title (ORs Brass shoulder title above left.... Officers gilt shoulder title below right) * The detail in the badges in a really hi-res scan is all there. ** Bryn Owen states that the card dated 23rd October 1901 is an Other Ranks badge and is even ambiguous on its type in stating brass or bronze? (page 211) ........ its not ..... its an "oxidised" Silver/Gilt badge for the Officers, "Cap & Collar" as the card clearly states. Bryn Owen obviously just had a black and white photo of the pattern cards, as shown, and guessed at what it was. The Bronze Other Ranks badge does not appear until later, probably 1907, and for use in khaki headdress. The ORs Imperial slouch hat and alternative FFScap had the bi-metal PoWs and the bi-metal still used in the blue service dress post 1907 for cap and collar.
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#49
02-03-13, 07:23 PM
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It is at times like this when you regret that the series of book by Barlow and Smith in the "Uniforms of the British Yeomanry Force 1794-1914 " series had not included more units.
P.B.
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#50
02-03-13, 07:27 PM
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02-03-13, 07:33 PM
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02-03-13, 08:39 PM
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Griff do both cards state Officers i cant see ref to ORs.
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#55
02-03-13, 08:50 PM
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Griff,
I might be missing the point a little, but for OR's the Wilts Yeo had Bim badges, and the Denbighshire Yeo and the 15th Londons OR's both had badges in single metal finishes, you can colour in as many black and white or sepia images as you want but were are the badges? All you appear to have shown so far is something that looks like either a Wilts Yeo cap badge or a 3DG collar badge, you've lost me completely! Andy Last edited by 2747andy; 03-03-13 at 10:42 AM.
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#56
02-03-13, 09:11 PM
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"Officers hat & collar badge Denbighshire Hussars" Second Card [1902] states Regiment (Officer is not crossed out because the Officers gilt shoulder title is on the card - lower right):- "Officers Badges Denbighshire Hussars Imperial Yeomanry Regiment" * The bronze badge appears at a later date possibly on T/Y/Denbigh but could be towards the end of DHIY in the khaki Forage cap...... but the ORs bi-metal is still worn "in blues" until they become 24th (DHY) RWF. So.... in khaki peaked forage cap..... its the bronze badge. Photo [Left]:- Troopers Denbighshire Hussars (Yeomanry), Ruddlan Camp 1908. ** First camp in the new blue serge, issued from 1907. *** The Trumpeter is wearing the old pattern DHIY khaki jacket but wearing a khaki peaked forage cap with a bronze PoWs badge. Photo [Middle]:- Troopers Denbighshire Hussars (Yeomanry) at "Slwch Camp" Brecon 1911. Photo [Right]:- Troopers Denbighshire Hussars (Yeomanry), Rhyl Camp 1914. - Bronze cap badge in khaki
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#59
03-03-13, 10:14 AM
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Griff,
the photos are great, and thanks for sharing them, but as I pointed out above they are B/W or Sepia and to attempt to positively identify a polished Bim badge is very difficult! As pointed out above the DH had a distinctive shape to their POW badges and that differs to that of the Wilts Yeo, in that the former often displays a slightly narrower coronet. Whilst I do not dispute for one minute that the gentlemen in your cracking images are wearing shinny badges, why must they be Bim and not plain Gm or Wm? I agree that you have provided evidence that the Officers wore S/G badges but this would not automatically follow for ORs? Here are images of a WW1 period DH Gm badge with and extruded slider, also one with a bronzed finish, note the angle of the "Ich Dien" scrolls which are as they should be and not bent. There is also a Wm badge, which looks very much like the shinny badges shown in your images, with almost horizontal "ID" scrolls! Perhaps Bze for Khaki and Wm for Blues? Does anyone have a Bim badge with the narrower coronet and horizontal "ID" scrolls? Andy Last edited by 2747andy; 03-03-13 at 10:26 AM.
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