British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recent Books by Forum Members

   

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > British Military Insignia > Airborne, Elite and Special Forces Insignia

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 14-06-19, 12:30 AM
hagwalther's Avatar
hagwalther hagwalther is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,939
Default SAS and SRR Cloth Cap Badges

Hi Guys,

I have never posted here before and my knowledge of cloth cap badges is basically nil.

These two cap badges, Special Air Service and Special Reconnaissance Regiment, came with a group of modern 'new metal' badges that I acquired. The metal badges were all genuine issue items.

Do collectors here think that the cloth badges shown below are genuine official modern issue or just dealer knock offs?

Regards,

Chris
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Special Forces Obverse.jpg (102.0 KB, 134 views)
File Type: jpg Special Forces Reverse.jpg (114.2 KB, 27 views)
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 14-06-19, 07:36 AM
grey_green_acorn's Avatar
grey_green_acorn grey_green_acorn is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 5,854
Default

Chris,
Here for comparison is an SRR badge acquired in NSN marked packaging from source.

Tim
Attached Images
File Type: jpg image.jpg (52.0 KB, 100 views)
__________________
"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm"
"Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!"
"Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest."
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 14-06-19, 09:28 AM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 4,934
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hagwalther View Post

Do collectors here think that the cloth badges shown below are genuine official modern issue or just dealer knock offs?
A very similar SRR badge (with gap between S's) was sold on Amazon by a company that sells embroidered patches.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg SRR.jpg (59.1 KB, 45 views)
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 14-06-19, 10:20 AM
Royal Royal is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 327
Default

The SRR badge also looks like it is on a Midnight Blue backing (right for SRR rank badges but not for a beret badge)...
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 14-06-19, 10:31 AM
54Bty's Avatar
54Bty 54Bty is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: London, England
Posts: 6,297
Default

From the pattern description;
Silver and gold wire embroidered into dark blue cloth with the word RECONNAISSANCE in black thread.

Marc
__________________
I am still looking for British Army cloth Formation, Regimental, Battalion, Company and other Unit sleeve badges, from 1980 onwards.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 14-06-19, 05:10 PM
Royal Royal is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 327
Default

Yeah, Navy not Midnight Blue.

Compare it with genuine SAS & SBS beret badges - as with the sword there is supposed to be a degree of continuity across UKSF insignia.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 14-06-19, 06:00 PM
54Bty's Avatar
54Bty 54Bty is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: London, England
Posts: 6,297
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_vee View Post
A very similar SRR badge (with gap between S's) was sold on Amazon by a company that sells embroidered patches.
I would not wish to add that one in any collection.

Marc
__________________
I am still looking for British Army cloth Formation, Regimental, Battalion, Company and other Unit sleeve badges, from 1980 onwards.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 15-06-19, 05:20 AM
hagwalther's Avatar
hagwalther hagwalther is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,939
Default

Guys,

Thanks for all the replies here. I have been sent some images of two SRR and one SAS badges all in original packaging. I will ask the sender if I can post the images here.

Regards,

Chris
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 15-06-19, 05:31 AM
hagwalther's Avatar
hagwalther hagwalther is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn View Post
Chris,
Here for comparison is an SRR badge acquired in NSN marked packaging from source.

Tim
Thanks Tim,

I can see a lot of similarities in the embroidery but is the backing different?

Do you have a reverse view?

Regards,

chris
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 15-06-19, 05:34 AM
hagwalther's Avatar
hagwalther hagwalther is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mike_vee View Post
A very similar SRR badge (with gap between S's) was sold on Amazon by a company that sells embroidered patches.
Thanks Mike,

I think mine is quite different to the Amazon one but the gap in the 'S's between mine and Amazon remains.

Regards,

Chris
Reply With Quote
  #11  
Old 15-06-19, 05:36 AM
hagwalther's Avatar
hagwalther hagwalther is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 54Bty View Post
From the pattern description;
Silver and gold wire embroidered into dark blue cloth with the word RECONNAISSANCE in black thread.

Marc
Thanks Marc,

Mine seems to fit the bill at description level at least.

Regards,

Chris

Last edited by hagwalther; 15-06-19 at 08:48 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #12  
Old 15-06-19, 08:47 AM
mike_vee's Avatar
mike_vee mike_vee is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: Uxbridge
Posts: 4,934
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by hagwalther View Post
Thanks Mike,

I think mine is quite different to the Amazon one but the gap in the 'S's between mine and Amazon remains.

Regards,

Chris
It really is a horror but was the only photo I could find with the space between letters.
Reply With Quote
  #13  
Old 15-06-19, 11:19 AM
grey_green_acorn's Avatar
grey_green_acorn grey_green_acorn is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 5,854
Default

Chris,
More photos of the NSN packaged version which I have no doubt is official issue.
Backing is a dark royal blue shade rather than navy or black.
The scroll is outlined in royal blue.

Tim
Attached Images
File Type: jpg P1090817.jpg (58.8 KB, 47 views)
File Type: jpg P1090818.jpg (50.6 KB, 22 views)
File Type: jpg P1090819.jpg (50.9 KB, 35 views)
__________________
"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm"
"Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!"
"Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest."
Reply With Quote
  #14  
Old 16-06-19, 04:55 AM
hagwalther's Avatar
hagwalther hagwalther is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,939
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by grey_green_acorn View Post
Chris,
More photos of the NSN packaged version which I have no doubt is official issue.
Backing is a dark royal blue shade rather than navy or black.
The scroll is outlined in royal blue.

Tim
Thanks Tim,

My backing looks like the same type of material but would have to say it was black.

The badges look very similar though - balance of probability good?

Regards,

Chris
Reply With Quote
  #15  
Old 16-06-19, 05:06 AM
hagwalther's Avatar
hagwalther hagwalther is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Posts: 2,939
Default

Hi Guys,

I have some images ex-stores SAS and SRR that have been sent to me.

I will ask if I can use the images here but they both seem to reconcile with the images with the badges that I posted at the start of this thread.

At the moment, I would say that both of my badges are modern and genuine. Bit of a strong call I know but people who know me from A/A and 'New Metal' badges will know that I always edge to caution so fingers crossed!

Regards,

Chris
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

mhs link

All times are GMT. The time now is 12:45 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.