Unidentified SSI patches

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Perhaps any US patch collectors out there can assist in identifying these few patches which are evading my efforts to caption them.

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[54Bty]

Try here and the links on the page.

Marc

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/B...ed_States_Army

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Thanks Marc, I have been through those links and accessed other sites on the internet but they are elusive items, although I must say I managed to i.d. bottom row first from left (4th Service Command - a WW2 unit).

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[Voltigeur]

Top row left = USA Supreme Headquarters in Europe.

Bottom row,middle patch = USA Criminal Investigation Command modern.

Jo

[54Bty]

Here you go.

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Grateful for all assistance. I had only managed to i.d. the colour patches and that took me ages. Thanks again for your help and time, gentlemen.

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[Phill Lockett]

Hi GTB

4th Service Command is WWII era.

If the rest have plastic backing on the reverse,they are from 1985 onwards , if not from 69-mid 80's.

Phill

[Blackadder1916]

13th Sustainment Command
http://www.tioh.hqda.pentagon.mil/Ca...med%20Services

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Originally Posted by Phill Lockett

Hi GTB

4th Service Command is WWII era.

If the rest have plastic backing on the reverse,they are from 1985 onwards , if not from 69-mid 80's.

Phill

Thanks for additional info.

I find assigning a correct time-frame difficult though essential. My 4th Serv Cmd patch is plasticised at back, effectively ruling a WW2 provenance out, correct? So does this patch, and other WW2 designs, cater for the 'combat' patches worn on the right shoulder denoting former wartime service? Do you know when this usage was authorised?

Thanks again
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[Voltigeur]

Originally Posted by GTB

Thanks for additional info.

I find assigning a correct time-frame difficult though essential. My 4th Serv Cmd patch is plasticised at back, effectively ruling a WW2 provenance out, correct? So does this patch, and other WW2 designs, cater for the 'combat' patches worn on the right shoulder denoting former wartime service? Do you know when this usage was authorised?

Thanks again
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http://ar670.com/articles/view/28/sh...e-ssi-fwts/285

https://www.thebalance.com/army-comb...-patch-3344579

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Thanks Jo

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[Blackadder1916]

Originally Posted by GTB

Thanks for additional info.

. . . My 4th Serv Cmd patch is plasticised at back, effectively ruling a WW2 provenance out, correct? So does this patch, and other WW2 designs, cater for the 'combat' patches worn on the right shoulder denoting former wartime service? . . .

I can't speak to the provenance of that patch or date of manufacture, however that particular organization was a continental US (CONUS) based area service support command. It was not a field force element and as such did not deploy overseas and thus would not have met the criteria of "actively participating in or supporting ground combat operations against hostile forces in which they were exposed to the threat of enemy action or fire" in order to be worn as a "combat patch". The 4th Service Command HQ was located in Atlanta, Georgia, and the Command was responsible for the states of Alabama, Florida, Georgia, North and South Carolina, Mississippi and Tennessee.

[Phill Lockett]

Hi GTB

Thanks for letting us know its a plastic back , which would make the patch a reproduction.

However can you show the back to confirm.

Below is a standard WWII era 4thSC.

SC are a dime a dozen and WWII era should not be that hard to get.

As for the use of "combat patch"/FWTS , the 2 articles that Voltigeur posted are modern regs,usage and terminology and should not be confused with pre WWII-WWII and into the early 50's as to what constituted a "combat patch."
For the most part they were unofficial and no rules had been set until 1950's(could of been earlier).

So in effect if you spent a year in 4th Service Command (logistics/supply)41/42 then were posted to an ID 1943-44 (logistics) as a former service patch ,it would of been worn albeit its not as sexy as combat unit!

Now if the individual moved into another unit (Group, Army, Corp Div.) he/she would change the sequence left shoulder current ID, right shoulder combat patch as an example and 4th SC would not be used.

There were many unauthorized usage and examples of patches during and after WWII and it came down to local commander authorization.

US worn patches throw up odd ball combo's

Phill

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As requested. Awaiting your confirmation. Will post another 2 different SSIs for appraisal.

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[GTB]

As mentioned for appraisal, please

I believe the patches on the left are earlier types.

2nd Army. (left) On khaki ground. Slightly larger numeral (see less ground below numeral); (right) On green ground. Plasticised rear

5th Army (right) Merrowed edging

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