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Old 13-01-12, 10:47 PM
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Default Faded wings

Friends,

Not all old SAS wings turn pink. In the wings on the left, the core part is still very blue indeed.

The second pair of wings have faded quite a bit, but did not turn pink either. Either the pink ones were
made like that originally, or the blue colour used was very prone to discolouring.


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Old 14-01-12, 08:33 AM
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Waiting for my scanner to work

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Old 14-01-12, 02:30 PM
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Johan

I think some were made with blue centre and some were made with purple centre. The purple ones definitely were more prone to fading. My scanner is now working again, so check the colour on these. It appears to be a purple/pink colour and has faded a bit too. An early locally made set for sure. Backing looks like an old curtain or piece of cloth. Maybe made in an Egyptian bazaar?
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Old 14-01-12, 04:33 PM
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Johan

I think some were made with blue centre and some were made with purple centre. The purple ones definitely were more prone to fading. My scanner is now working again, so check the colour on these. It appears to be a purple/pink colour and has faded a bit too. An early locally made set for sure. Backing looks like an old curtain or piece of cloth. Maybe made in an Egyptian bazaar?
Hi Jack,

Very very nice! I came across some old wings some years ago also with a very bright purple center. You can imagine that would fade to pink. See attached. Typical that all these wings have the two inner rigging lines converging to the center rigging line at 3/4 of the total length.

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This in the one on the service dress tunic of Lt Col Mayne. Cant get more authentic then that !
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As promised, John Byrnes original Egyptian made L-Detachment wings. The backing was missiing when I got them. Note that the chute lines all go all the way down, also the fact that they are edged in white all the way round, not just on top (that along the top has gone although traces remain). Also that the right wing is slightly wider than the left.

They are straight across the top.
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Old 15-01-12, 11:56 AM
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This in the one on the service dress tunic of Lt Col Mayne. Cant get more authentic then that !
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hi Steve,

Very nice wings indeed and great reference to a great man!

Do you happen to have more pics of the full SD?

Is that uniform on display in Ireland?

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Old 15-01-12, 12:02 PM
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As promised, John Byrnes original Egyptian made L-Detachment wings. The backing was missiing when I got them. Note that the chute lines all go all the way down, also the fact that they are edged in white all the way round, not just on top (that along the top has gone although traces remain). Also that the right wing is slightly wider than the left.

They are straight across the top.
Hi,

That is a really nice pair of wings! Indeed, it is a bit irregular in shape, but on locally made wings that is not so strange.

Wow, these wings were given directly to you by John Byrne? That is provenance!

I have his book "The General salutes a Soldier", which describes his WW2 exploits. After WW2 he served in Kenya and Malaya with the Colonial Police.

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Friends,

I have some early wings also with white outline around the outer wings.

No trace of pink on these early wings either. See picture. Notice the crude way
of fixing it to a shirt, probably with a safety pin through the wire loops.

The more I think about it, the more it becomes clear to me the pink wings are not just a case of fading. I believe they were made like that. The question remains where they come from.

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Here are a couple of wings I have.

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I know there not pink but the rear of these wings is unusual. The paper seems to have Italian printing on it.

Any thoughts.

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I know there not pink but the rear of these wings is unusual. The paper seems to have Italian printing on it.

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Arnhem
Hi Arnhem,

It looks as if some light cardboard was used to cover the reverse of the wings, which were locally made.

"Fra i porti di B" means something like "from the ports of B". It be could from a postcard or something or a timetable.

There are not that many towns in Italy or Libya (which was Italian before WW2) with two ports. The singular would be "porto" and "porti" is plural.

It could possibly be Bari, which has two ports: the old one and the new one.

There also was a British Parachute School in Bari. Or is there too much wishful thinking here?

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Johan

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Hi Arnhem,

It looks as if some light cardboard was used to cover the reverse of the wings, which were locally made.

"Fra i porti di B" means something like "from the ports of B". It could from a postcard or something or a timetable.

There are not that many towns in Italy or Libya (which was Italian before WW2) with two ports. The singular would be "porto" and "porti" is plural.

It could possibly be Bari, which has two ports: the old one and the new one.

There also was a British Parachute School in Bari. Or is there too much wishful thinking here?

Cheers,

Johan
Might be wishful thinking but certainly a logical conclusion. Here is my lowly example, sorry about pic quality, it's behind glass as it's attached to a scarf that belonged to a nurse. The black lines on the canopy go straight up and not curve around.
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Old 15-01-12, 03:19 PM
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Those wings with blue centres didn't fade that much it would seem and those with purple centres faded to pink.

The examples that Johan posted in #1 demonstrate this perfectly. However, having a purple or pink centre doesn't automatically make it an early and/or Egyptian made piece.
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From the Paddy Mayne reference photo and others, it sure looks like the pink thread behind the canopy is an intentional feature of its manufacture, rather than a consequence of fading. Great pictures, by the way. Is it fair to say we haven't yet resolved the questions of when & where these pink wings were made?

SAS1, I was heartened to see your wing from John Byrnes of L Detachment. I have a similar wing that came to me indirectly. Good to see another one out there with similar features, from a direct source.

Regards, Donovan

P.S. OK, not so heartened.... Johan has advised me this wing may be a clever fake. So please don't rely on the photos as a reference.
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