Eire buttons

[Hussar100]

Originally Posted by John Mulcahy

The photo is an other ranks uniform of The Mounted Escort 1932-1949 so-called 'Blue Hussars" . They did not wear 8th KRIH Hussars uniforms.

There are many differences in the uniform. The jackets are very different. The last full dress Hussar Jacket for the KRIH had six loops of cord braiding, note The Blue Hussars jacket has 5.

The scan on the left below is the Hussars officers jacket as shown in the 1911 DRs. O/R tunics were essentially the same in terms of the braiding except that they had yellow cord in place of the officers gold chain gimp.

Now note the O/R tunic of "The Blue Hussars " on the right (from Badges, Medals , Insignia of Oglaig na hEireann , The Irish Defence Forces) is very different. Note the major differences in the ends of the braiding with the British version having drops loops and one cap whereas the Irish version has no drops and no caps at the end of the knots.

Note the Irish jacket fasted with yellow olivets and not ball buttons as a British O/R jacket would have been (I think).

I am still waiting for info on the buttons - but looking at the photo provided the button on the epaulette does not appear to be a ball button.

John.

It is reputed, note I say "reputed", that the Blue Hussars uniform was based on the 8 KIRH ceremonial dress. That's all I said and it's all I'm saying, other than the fact that the uniform in the picture looks too dark to be the sapphire uniform of the Blue Hussars. I've already said that could be down to poor reproduction in the image.

What more can I do? Shall I commit Hari-kari [deliberate mis-spelling] to atone for the error of my ways?

God, sometimes on here you daren't open yer mouth or the hosts of heavenly avengers descend upon you.

[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by Hussar100

It is reputed, note I say "reputed", that the Blue Hussars uniform was based on the 8 KIRH ceremonial dress. That's all I said and it's all I'm saying, other than the fact that the uniform in the picture looks too dark to be the sapphire uniform of the Blue Hussars. I've already said that could be down to poor reproduction in the image.

What more can I do? Shall I commit Hari-kari [deliberate mis-spelling] to atone for the error of my ways?

God, sometimes on here you daren't open yer mouth or the hosts of heavenly avengers descend upon you.

My post was meant to be matter of fact and informative - nothing else implied or inferred in my response. I did not mean for you to react in the way that you did.

[Hussar100]

Originally Posted by John Mulcahy

My post was meant to be matter of fact and informative - nothing else implied or inferred in my response. I did not mean for you to react in the way that you did.

Dare I say ditto?

You should know though - I haven't reacted in any way. They're just words on a screen and they had a humorous intent.

[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by Hussar100

Dare I say ditto?

You should know though - I haven't reacted in any way. They're just words on a screen and they had a humorous intent.

I am sorry Hussar100, I thought you were being serious.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you and your family.


John

[Hussar100]

Originally Posted by John Mulcahy

I am sorry Hussar100, I thought you were being serious.

Merry Christmas & Happy New Year to you and your family.


John

Jaysus never take me seriously man. I never tear into anybody.

Many happy returns to you and yours.

[GTB]

Thanks, gentlemen, for all your valuable help to date.
I have finally found my mislaid copy of James Hogan's Badges Medals Insignia of the IDF, so I have another fine reference work to consult.

To continue with my queries concerning IV buttons:

Firstly, I don't know if it is an optical illusion or not, but I have come across this mention before, that there are buttons with the lettering at an angle, i.e. sloping upwards, rather than being horizontal to the Harp (see attachment).

Secondly, could the smaller button be to the Full Dress uniform? Illustrations show the tunic buttons to be small in size. I have placed beside a large size button to compare. It is 17mm dia., Officers quality (spun-back) and gilt. A noticeable feature of the design is that whereas the usual number of Harp strings commonly found are 9, this version has 7.
As always, comments welcome.
GTB

[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by Hussar100

That would be very kind of you. Please do ask the question on my behalf.

Well It took a while and I did not get an answer to the question "what type of button on the epaulette".

Images (apologies for poor quality) below from the National Museum , Collins Bcks, Dublin (a better one was posted earlier by Connaught) shows the olivets (toggles) used in place of buttons on the frogging . Whereas the buttons on the epaulettes are not visible enough to show the design they appear not to be ball buttons to me - they seem , from the image, to be a flat design.


John

[John Mulcahy]

Originally Posted by GTB

Thanks, gentlemen, for all your valuable help to date.
I have finally found my mislaid copy of James Hogan's Badges Medals Insignia of the IDF, so I have another fine reference work to consult.

To continue with my queries concerning IV buttons:
It is 17mm dia., Officers quality (spun-back) and gilt. A noticeable feature of the design is that whereas the usual number of Harp strings commonly found are 9, this version has 7.
As always, comments welcome.
GTB

GTB - Only saw this now, likely to be the pocket flap button from the tunic, service dress # 1 (each has 4). My own is 16.4mm approx. Thus not necessarily related to the full dress uniforms of the 1930 - 50's.

Beyond this I can not help much further.

John

[GTB]

Thanks a lot, John.
You've been very helpful.
Re epaulette button - I concur it does seem rather flat. In any case, definitely not ball-shaped

GTB

[Hussar100]

Originally Posted by John Mulcahy

Well It took a while and I did not get an answer to the question "what type of button on the epaulette".

Images (apologies for poor quality) below from the National Museum , Collins Bcks, Dublin (a better one was posted earlier by Connaught) shows the olivets (toggles) used in place of buttons on the frogging . Whereas the buttons on the epaulettes are not visible enough to show the design they appear not to be ball buttons to me - they seem , from the image, to be a flat design.


John

Thanks for going to that trouble John. We can eliminate the 8H buttons from the scenario then.