British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recent Books by Forum Members

   

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > British Military Insignia > Anodised Aluminium Badges

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 08-04-21, 07:57 PM
CAM's Avatar
CAM CAM is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Farnborough, Hampshire
Posts: 1,217
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by JerryBB View Post
an odd one, a duffer I assume but not seen another

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/THE-WELSH...IAAOSwFbdeLFiz
I now find myself using the phrase 'jewels like donuts' on the crown.

Hope i am learning.

Chris
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 08-04-21, 10:10 PM
Luke H's Avatar
Luke H Luke H is offline
 
Join Date: Jan 2008
Location: Londoner in exile
Posts: 5,910
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by CAM View Post
I now find myself using the phrase 'jewels like donuts' on the crown.
A great turn of phrase!!!!
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 09-04-21, 03:32 AM
bess55's Avatar
bess55 bess55 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,814
Default

Gents, as a slight aside, I have only ever found 2 makers for the RRW cap badge in anodised alluminium:- Firmins and the London Badge & Button Company (LB&B). They have distinctive die variations:-

LB&B:-
. Deeper cuts separating the plumes at the top.
. Smaller jewells on the crown and clear in the centres.
. The 'Ich Dien' scroll can be found fully seeded on some examples.
. Marked 'LB&B' on rear or unmarked.

FIRMIN:-
. Shallow cuts to plume ends.
. Larger (donut jewells, sic Cam) on crown with striations inside.
. Scroll not found seeded
. Marked 'Firmin & Sons', 'FIRMIN' or 'F&S' (latter found in a Firmin bag dated 13.2.06 - interestingly made less than a month before the RRW ended)

I have both an all gold and an all silver example - clearly unfinished/errors. Both are unmarked LB&B examples.

For interests sake chaps. Be interested if anyone has other variations.

Bess
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 20210409_040533.jpg (63.7 KB, 14 views)
File Type: jpg 20210409_040547.jpg (54.8 KB, 14 views)
File Type: jpg 20210409_042624.jpg (69.1 KB, 22 views)
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 09-04-21, 04:32 AM
JerryBB's Avatar
JerryBB JerryBB is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Wales
Posts: 5,025
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bess55 View Post
Gents, as a slight aside, I have only ever found 2 makers for the RRW cap badge in anodised alluminium:- Firmins and the London Badge & Button Company (LB&B). They have distinctive die variations:-

LB&B:-
. Deeper cuts separating the plumes at the top.
. Smaller jewells on the crown and clear in the centres.
. The 'Ich Dien' scroll can be found fully seeded on some examples.
. Marked 'LB&B' on rear or unmarked.

FIRMIN:-
. Shallow cuts to plume ends.
. Larger (donut jewells, sic Cam) on crown with striations inside.
. Scroll not found seeded
. Marked 'Firmin & Sons', 'FIRMIN' or 'F&S' (latter found in a Firmin bag dated 13.2.06 - interestingly made less than a month before the RRW ended)

I have both an all gold and an all silver example - clearly unfinished/errors. Both are unmarked LB&B examples.

For interests sake chaps. Be interested if anyone has other variations.

Bess
Is there a new metal version?
__________________
Regards,

Jerry
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 09-04-21, 04:47 AM
bess55's Avatar
bess55 bess55 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,814
Default

Jerry, there is. If you look at my third pic of the group, new metal is bottom left - with the Royal Welsh shaped backing). It appears to be from the LB&B die.

All the best

Bess
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 09-04-21, 05:02 AM
JerryBB's Avatar
JerryBB JerryBB is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Wales
Posts: 5,025
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bess55 View Post
Jerry, there is. If you look at my third pic of the group, new metal is bottom left - with the Royal Welsh shaped backing). It appears to be from the LB&B die.

All the best

Bess
Thanks, I have one, but wanted to check that is what it is.

here are mine, though I have another in the post
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Royal Regiment of Wales F & S and others.jpg (59.8 KB, 26 views)
__________________
Regards,

Jerry
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 09-04-21, 06:07 AM
bess55's Avatar
bess55 bess55 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,814
Default

Jerry, if you're looking for variations, I'll check my spares. I'll drop you a PM if I have anything.

Bess
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 09-04-21, 08:31 AM
41st's Avatar
41st 41st is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Cardiff, Wales
Posts: 2,070
Default

Bess,
A few other examples for you.
1st & 2nd from top left - Welsh Brigade Officer’s bullion beret and silver cap badges. This last appears to be unmarked silver rather than plated and is marked for J.R.Gaunt London.
1st & 2nd from left second row - Officer’s s&g fully hall marked for London 1991, maker SER, and Officer’s frosted s&g. This last is unmarked but came with the effects of an ACF Captain.
The a/a examples are the same as yours with the addition of the far right which is unmarked, very good detail and looks to be from the Firmin die.
Hwyl,
Kevin
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 09-04-21, 08:45 AM
bess55's Avatar
bess55 bess55 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,814
Default

Nice Kevin. The Brigade bullion officers beret badge is nice.
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 09-04-21, 09:04 AM
41st's Avatar
41st 41st is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: Cardiff, Wales
Posts: 2,070
Default

One I forgot about. RRW Officer’s bullion beret badge.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 30C161B3-071D-49E7-8FE0-32255B859560.jpg (89.5 KB, 15 views)

Last edited by 41st; 09-04-21 at 11:11 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 09-04-21, 09:49 AM
leigh kitchen's Avatar
leigh kitchen leigh kitchen is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 9,034
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 41st View Post
One I forgot about. RRW Officer’s bullion beret badge.
It's in better condition than the one I have on a
beret manufactured circa 1979 - 1985.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg 20210404_090714_2.jpg (103.7 KB, 9 views)
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 09-04-21, 10:15 AM
bess55's Avatar
bess55 bess55 is offline
Member
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 1,814
Default

Leigh, yours would be described as 'ally as f#@k' though . . .
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 09-04-21, 11:58 AM
grey_green_acorn's Avatar
grey_green_acorn grey_green_acorn is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Kent, UK
Posts: 5,821
Default

My Welsh Brigade and RRW officers bullion embroidered beret badges.

Tim
Attached Images
File Type: jpeg D56ECDA4-AC12-4E3F-8681-E34954EBE1F8.jpeg (43.9 KB, 10 views)
File Type: jpeg 80BDF08C-AC90-48E4-AEB7-0BD6C4DA3741.jpeg (67.4 KB, 10 views)
__________________
"Manui dat cognitio vires - Knowledge gives strength to the arm"
"Better to know it but not need it than to need it and not know it!"
"Have more than thou showest, speak less than thou knowest."

Last edited by grey_green_acorn; 09-04-21 at 09:37 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 09-04-21, 09:35 PM
JerryBB's Avatar
JerryBB JerryBB is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Wales
Posts: 5,025
Default

Bullion RRofWales on no2 cap and welsh brigade or something else?
Attached Images
File Type: jpg rrw 4.jpg (81.9 KB, 6 views)
File Type: jpg DSC_7262.jpg (54.6 KB, 7 views)
__________________
Regards,

Jerry
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 10-04-21, 03:09 PM
JerryBB's Avatar
JerryBB JerryBB is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Wales
Posts: 5,025
Default

Royal Welsh new metal on beret
Attached Images
File Type: jpg royal welsh beret crop.jpg (68.5 KB, 8 views)
__________________
Regards,

Jerry
Reply With Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

mhs link

All times are GMT. The time now is 08:42 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.