Guards MG Battalion

[manchesters]

Hello,

These are different to the usual fakes, are they genuine or just more crap? Will be selling them (I hope)

regards

[Alan O]

Inventive fakes.

[MH331]

Quite a lot of effort to enamel a fake could it be an Old Comrades or GMG association badge?

[manchesters]

I know Alan thinks they are fakes but as you say Mark, a lot of trouble and not one of a 'batch'.

It is an old badge, certainly not produced in the last 50 years I feel and of a metal identical to the WW1 economy issue badges.

The slider is thick and the overall patina on the badge reflects its age.

The enamel is chipped in places and I dont know what to make of it.

As for the WM one I can well believe its a fake even though I havent personally seen the two copper blades before that retain a centre cloth.

I should add that these are from a collection that has NO other fakes in it at all.
Its a puzzle.

[Alan O]

Well firstly there was not an economy issue of the badge so the brass on a slider is incorrect,

Whilst they have been widely faked with lugs and sliders, the badges made in the war were fitted with sliders as was the norm for that period.

The voiding is certainly not correct for issued badges. The officers badges were silver and voided and this characteristic have been faked.

Saying that there were commercially sold cap badge produced by firms such as Gamages that have, like old Fox restrikes, become collectors items even though they were not worn by the units themselves.

[manchesters]

Alan,

I didnt mean to imply that it was an economy issue just that it was in the same type of metal.

It may well be a commercially produced badge I dont know.

regards

[Alan O]

Well Gamages were responsible for the 25th Fusilers variant with the 14th flame grenade and brass strip scroll, the Middlesex Pioneers Bn and the Footballers Bn cap badges so there is precedent.

You would need to find a copy of their catalogues to research it further.

[manchesters]

Thanks Alan

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Alan O

Well Gamages were responsible for the 25th Fusilers variant with the 14th flame grenade and brass strip scroll, the Middlesex Pioneers Bn and the Footballers Bn cap badges so there is precedent.

You would need to find a copy of their catalogues to research it further.

That's interesting. Is there an old thread somewhere discussing Gamages as the source of the 'Footballers' Bn' badge?

JT

[Alan O]

There is a photo of one of their Middlesex Football badges in one of their catalogues. It might be on here or the GWF. The football badges were certainly reproduced as cap badges in the 1970s and beyond.

[Alan O]

Found it:
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...light=football

[grenadierguardsman]

Originally Posted by manchesters

Hello,

These are different to the usual fakes, are they genuine or just more crap? Will be selling them (I hope)

regards

I have seen a few like this ( fretted out ) that is. The enamel one i haven't seen though. But as you say Simon its a lot of work someone has done to them.
Andy

[Jelly Terror]

Originally Posted by Alan O

Found it:
https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...light=football

Many thanks.

JT

[MH331]

Having had another look at Simon's brass enamel badge it has many traits of mufti / sweetheart badges I have handled. If I owned it I would not be rushing to put in my fakes/re-strikes box. The slider will slip through a lapel button hole and I have seen cap badges worn as such in period photos where the sitter is wearing civvy clothing.

I still think its some form of OCA badge. Just my theory.

Mark

[manchesters]

Thanks Mark