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Old 14-09-21, 12:47 PM
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Hey DumDum,

yes, I know I still owe you an email. Now summer is over, I'll catch up on things.

A great selection of badges, very happy to see them, thanks for posting them.

Mike:

I have 14 1914 makers, of which I have 13, as follows (I've left out the unmarked ones, but I am assuming they may be Gaunt??)

Vaughtons Ltd
Hardcourts
DG Collins
WJ Dingley
Firmin & Sons Ltd
WO Lewis
JA Reseal
Bliss Bros
Arthur Fenwick Ltd
JW Tiptaft & Son
Smith & Wright
HB Sale Ltd
PH Manison
and TLM Ltd (Thomas L Mott) which I do not have.

I have also read somewhere Fattorini, WT Carroll and Mappin & Webb made them, but I have yet to see any examples, so they are a maybe.

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While I'm about it, thought that I'd post this lot. Probably the resolution isn't great but, if anyone would like to comment on any of the badges, it would be appreciated.
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Old 14-09-21, 01:56 PM
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Mike:

I have 14 1914 makers, of which I have 13, as follows (I've left out the unmarked ones, but I am assuming they may be Gaunt??)

I have also read somewhere Fattorini, WT Carroll and Mappin & Webb made them, but I have yet to see any examples, so they are a maybe.

Cheers, Tim
Thanks Tim , the first 11 on your list are the ones I have seen .

Will keep an eye out and let you know if I spot any you've not got.

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Old 14-09-21, 04:50 PM
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Hi Mike and James

With a bit of hunting around I found the 1915 variant with the red enamel. What I thought was of note was that it bears the backstamp of Taylor & Challen Ltd. I thought that they were the firm that made this badge but see that it has "AT" above the name.

I did look them up when I got it but can't recall what they did now.

Suggestion: is the backstamp on that badge that started this thread the address not of the maker but the address of the firm that issued it? Reason also is that I cannot recall such a complete address for a maker before, although H W Miller does this, but at a later period.

Also pictured is a badge that clearly owes a lot to the 1914 Admiralty badge but has the firm's name where the date "1914" or "1915" would be.

Again, I would have noted details of what they made/ did at the time but if anyone wants to save me the trouble of looking them up that would be great!
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Hey DumDum,

yes, I know I still owe you an email. Now summer is over, I'll catch up on things.

A great selection of badges, very happy to see them, thanks for posting them.

Mike:

I have 14 1914 makers, of which I have 13, as follows (I've left out the unmarked ones, but I am assuming they may be Gaunt??)

Vaughtons Ltd
Hardcourts
DG Collins
WJ Dingley
Firmin & Sons Ltd
WO Lewis
JA Reseal
Bliss Bros
Arthur Fenwick Ltd
JW Tiptaft & Son
Smith & Wright
HB Sale Ltd
PH Manison
and TLM Ltd (Thomas L Mott) which I do not have.

I have also read somewhere Fattorini, WT Carroll and Mappin & Webb made them, but I have yet to see any examples, so they are a maybe.

Cheers, Tim
Hi Tim

Thanks for your message and in your own time for an email. I'll see what I have in the 1914 section. It is interesting that more than a few are "anonymous" efforts. Maybe that "backstreet" production that I hinted at?
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Hi Mike and James
With a bit of hunting around I found the 1915 variant with the red enamel. What I thought was of note was that it bears the backstamp of Taylor & Challen Ltd. I thought that they were the firm that made this badge but see that it has "AT" above the name.

I did look them up when I got it but can't recall what they did now.
Taylor & Challen made a coining press (and other machinary) that was used by badge manufacturers .

http://www.worldofcoins.eu/forum/ind...c,11702.0.html

It is possible that Taylor & Challen produced the 'basic' badge and that AT were a local Birmingham jeweller/artisan did the enamelling ?

NB. One of their 1907 coining presses ended up in Australia.

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This press was used c1965-2000 by The Perfection Badge Co of Sydney to make membership badges for social clubs, sporting clubs (including most notably bowling clubs), Returned Servicemen's Leagues (RSL) Clubs etc.
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Also pictured is a badge that clearly owes a lot to the 1914 Admiralty badge but has the firm's name where the date "1914" or "1915" would be.

Again, I would have noted details of what they made/ did at the time but if anyone wants to save me the trouble of looking them up that would be great!
Herbert Terry and Sons manufactured springs and jubilee clips etc.

https://www.gracesguide.co.uk/Herbert_Terry_and_Sons

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Hi Mike

Many thanks for the informative reply. It is always good when you learn something about your stuff!

I had wondered if you could read the badge as follows:

"1915, On War Service [working] At Talyor & Challen Ltd"

A bit of a hoot to think that here was a firm making machinery to make....badges, etc.!
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Old 15-09-21, 11:05 AM
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In looking for material to post re this thread, I find I have more than a few badges that follow the 1914 style with a wide variety of text.

Seems also that if you included the word "Government" on your badge you could get away with just about anything....

Oh and the inclusion of a Union Jack didn't hurt either!
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Old 15-09-21, 11:15 AM
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I think I've posted these before but they may not have been viewed by newer members.

Anyway, proof of the endless variety of the "unofficial" badges. My own favourite is the frilly edged 1915 example.

What was that all about??????

The one that appears to be silver-plated is actually thin, unmarked, silver. It is a fairly common generic type but in silver????

Sorry for the quality of the images and I really should redo these to do them better justice.
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OK, used what very few PC skills I have and have created another version of the previous photo.

Hopefully better...
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I had wondered if you could read the badge as follows:

"1915, On War Service [working] At Talyor & Challen Ltd"
It is possible that they made badges for their own workers , they had the machinery and would have had to run trial/test pressings before the machinery passed final inspections.

Also , by using the standard Admiralty OWS design with no company name or logo on the front , they may have hoped/managed to initially avoid the ban on 'unofficial' badges that was introduced in March/April 1915.

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Seems also that if you included the word "Government" on your badge you could get away with just about anything....
I've seen a standard Admiralty style "ON GOVERNMENT WORK 1915" badge with the 'ring' marking on the back (possibly Dingley) , so wonder if these were offically issued ?

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Hi Mike

I'll check the backs of mine and see what there is on them. I still think that the use of "Government" and "O.H.M.S." was somewhat loosely applied by some less than scrupulous badge makers.

As you can imagine, while there were the big firms such as Gaunt, Wylie and others, the production of an enameled badge was well within the realms of competence for a trained jeweller or even watchmaker.

I have an association badge with a maker's stamp that was made by a watchmaker! Always possible that he had it made and had his stamp applied to it I guess.
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Hi Mike and James

Here are some random badges that illustrate (again!) the seemingly endless designs that were produced to fill the need.

I've tried to keep them in the same order when photographing the reverse so you can see which ones are marked.

While I do like the ones that can be linked to a particular firm, the deliberately (?) vague ones interest me too.

"War Equipment" must have covered just about anything from bayonets to bandages...
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