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Old 21-09-20, 07:17 PM
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Good evening,

Can I have your opinions on this Parachute Regiment badge, please?
Are my old eyes misleading me or is the lion looking backwards?

Marinus


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Old 21-09-20, 08:57 PM
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Sure looks like it to me. But I am no expert on British Para badges.

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Old 21-09-20, 09:16 PM
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Hello Marinus,
Para badge looks dubious from what I can see.You may want to glance at the following article from my blog for further confirmation; http://arnhemjim.blogspot.com/2011/0...cap-badge.html
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Old 21-09-20, 09:17 PM
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I'm no expert but it looks like a poorly made repro. to me.

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Old 21-09-20, 09:27 PM
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Repro! Found with modern footed loops (as yours) and with fake Marples & Beasley brass sliders.

Read this thread - https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...hlight=Marples

Note the lion is falling off the crown from the back, die flaws highlighted and how the cords cross over etc. etc.
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Old 22-09-20, 06:44 AM
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Awful, a glance the crown speaks volumes, if you have bought that send it back and advise the seller you wanted a real one!

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Good evening,

Can I have your opinions on this Parachute Regiment badge, please?
Are my old eyes misleading me or is the lion looking backwards?

Marinus


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Old 22-09-20, 03:27 PM
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Gents,

I believe also that this is a repro.
It has the same die flaws and the "ugly falling lion" as the badge that Luke shows in his post #5 and link.

I didn't won it on eBay, I was outbid as usual in the very last seconds.

Thank you all for your opinions.

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Old 22-09-20, 04:38 PM
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Ugly lion indeed. No worries Marinus, there are plenty of original badges on the market. I’m sure you’ll find a good one soon. For reference, have a look at Paul’s comprehensive collection (pahannah).
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Old 23-09-20, 07:53 AM
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You had a lucky escape.


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Gents,

I believe also that this is a repro.
It has the same die flaws and the "ugly falling lion" as the badge that Luke shows in his post #5 and link.

I didn't won it on eBay, I was outbid as usual in the very last seconds.

Thank you all for your opinions.

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Old 23-09-20, 05:06 PM
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Yes, Paul has some very nice para badges indeed.
I was actually triggered for my eBay search when I saw the "White Metal Alternative" badge in his album.

Marinus

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Old 23-09-20, 08:37 PM
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Yes, Paul has some very nice para badges indeed.
I was actually triggered for my eBay search when I saw the "White Metal Alternative" badge in his album.

Marinus
Hello

Very interesting

Yes i have a similar badge, in fact 2 if you count the brass unplated one (in hand they are quite different). Now they are similar with the rigging lines which I am comfortable with, but the lion on mine seems to be straight forward facing unlike this one, and under magnification I can see die flaw, and similar looking marks on the body of the lion on the white metal I have with this one.

My white metal is closer to the one in this post, but on the brass version, again is similar in look, rigging etc, but different when in hand, weight, thickness, quality and crispness of look.

When I compare my white metal with the brass, they are in fact very different in detail, looking at the back tells the bigger story, the brass one being very detailed and profound. Also the feathers are very different in the shape, the brass are more round, equal, and defined than the whitemetal alternative version I have and the one in this post.

The lugs on my white metal are certainly more aged, no fresh/bright brazing.

I am happier with my white metal alternative, than the one subject to scrutiny, and I have read all the comments and followed the links, with the history with the slider versions etc, and to be honest im on the fence.

If I was to doubt, it would be the lack of clarity on the back, rather than the front, I know that die flaws are known in JR Gaunt, and they are much more obvious than this badge, are they the only maker to have them?

I dont think I have helped the debate, but you have my 2 c's worth.

Let me try to do some picture comparisons, I tried earlier but only having an iphone 6 my pictures never seem that great.

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Paul
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Old 24-09-20, 05:34 PM
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on which branch of the evolution tree does this animal hang. lugs do not possess club feet, no die flaws. was this pattern the source of the copies ? a veritable Flying Dutchman. neither beast nor fowl. fist clenching during sleep rules !
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Old 24-09-20, 09:04 PM
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Itís an interesting badge being devoid of all the noted flaws as I can see.

Unusual also in that badges from this die are fairly scarce so one would assume the die did not see much use to generate flaws vís the Gaunt die for example.

Before yours all those Iíd seen had some or all of the flaws mentioned. Clearly their absence on your badge indicates an earlier strike. I also like that the loops are closer together too.

The Marples & Beasley and dustbin lid footed loop badges posted earlier are undoubtedly repros. There is no way either was made in the 1950s.

Yours may raise another possibility.

Can you post a picture of the back straight-on please?
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on which branch of the evolution tree does this animal hang. lugs do not possess club feet, no die flaws. was this pattern the source of the copies ? a veritable Flying Dutchman. neither beast nor fowl. fist clenching during sleep rules !
What lies beneath the braze, pray not a footed lug?
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Old 25-09-20, 10:02 AM
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Sun's out ! this pattern has always created confusion because of the unsymmetrical rigging lines. cannot comment on the feet of the lugs as my angle grinder is on loan. I seem to remember an image of a Gaunt catalogue illustrating lugs that did possess evolutionary feet, however not size tens. I also remember being told by a collector that I should avoid any cap badge with lugs that are the same colour as copper fittings used for plumbing.
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