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Old 17-10-20, 07:55 PM
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Default Middlesex Regiment 7th/8th/9th Bn. OSD badge

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Can anyone shed any light on this badge I have in my collection? Itís not the usual pattern of OSD cap/collar badge. For info itís fitted with blades. Any help appreciated.
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Old 17-10-20, 10:16 PM
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Greetings Diehard.

Interesting item

I have never seen one like this and unless I'm very much mistaken, I believe it is a fantasy item.

My reasoning for this is that in 1908 when Rifle Volunteer units became, in the main, Volunteer Battalions of Regular Regiments, the 2nd Middlesex RVs provided a number of Officers and other ranks to become the 10th Battalion Middlesex Regiment.

Your badge, appears from the front, to be a 10th Battalion item, as indicated by the blank/erased/altered scroll, which if it were a 7th/8th/9th battalion would show the South Africa connection on the scroll.

When the 10th was formed, although a number of men from the old 2nd Middlesex RVs had served in South Africa in The Boer War, the new Battalion, (10th) was not allowed to show this distinction on their cap badges.

Therefore, there should not be a South Africa scroll attached to this item.

Would it be possible to show a picture of the reverse please, top see how this additional scroll is fixed.

Hope this helps.

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Brian
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Old 18-10-20, 08:24 AM
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Greetings Diehard.

Interesting item

I have never seen one like this and unless I'm very much mistaken, I believe it is a fantasy item.

My reasoning for this is that in 1908 when Rifle Volunteer units became, in the main, Volunteer Battalions of Regular Regiments, the 2nd Middlesex RVs provided a number of Officers and other ranks to become the 10th Battalion Middlesex Regiment.

Your badge, appears from the front, to be a 10th Battalion item, as indicated by the blank/erased/altered scroll, which if it were a 7th/8th/9th battalion would show the South Africa connection on the scroll.

When the 10th was formed, although a number of men from the old 2nd Middlesex RVs had served in South Africa in The Boer War, the new Battalion, (10th) was not allowed to show this distinction on their cap badges.

Therefore, there should not be a South Africa scroll attached to this item.

Would it be possible to show a picture of the reverse please, top see how this additional scroll is fixed.

Hope this helps.

Regards.

Brian
Hi Diehard
I agree with all Brian has said, a fantasy badge as far as Iím aware .

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Old 18-10-20, 10:43 AM
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It doesn't look like an OSD finish to me, the bottom scroll looks poorly attached.

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Old 18-10-20, 03:16 PM
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I think itís a post 1905 2nd Volunteer Btn. Mainly based on the fact Iíve yet to see any other 2VB Badge to date.
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Old 18-10-20, 03:23 PM
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Rob: I agree with you, not Officers' quality.

Keith: Good call m'boy.................could be......you are not alone in searching for evidence of a 2nd VB badge.

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Brian
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Old 18-10-20, 05:17 PM
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Hi Brian
I should have added, I have a brooched one, not something normally associated with a fantasy badge. The 2VB theory is just my take on it, they pop up from time to time like most VBís and unlike real fantasy items like the footballers.
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Old 18-10-20, 07:33 PM
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Greetings Diehard.

Interesting item

I have never seen one like this and unless I'm very much mistaken, I believe it is a fantasy item.

My reasoning for this is that in 1908 when Rifle Volunteer units became, in the main, Volunteer Battalions of Regular Regiments, the 2nd Middlesex RVs provided a number of Officers and other ranks to become the 10th Battalion Middlesex Regiment.

Your badge, appears from the front, to be a 10th Battalion item, as indicated by the blank/erased/altered scroll, which if it were a 7th/8th/9th battalion would show the South Africa connection on the scroll.

When the 10th was formed, although a number of men from the old 2nd Middlesex RVs had served in South Africa in The Boer War, the new Battalion, (10th) was not allowed to show this distinction on their cap badges.

Therefore, there should not be a South Africa scroll attached to this item.

Would it be possible to show a picture of the reverse please, top see how this additional scroll is fixed.

Hope this helps.

Regards.

Brian
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Brian - hope this helps. Iíve had this badge for about 40 years now is thatís relevant at all.
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Old 20-10-20, 08:46 AM
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Chaps, this is the back of the badge - does this help at all? I guess it confirms the badge hasnít had the additional scroll applied subsequently and appears integral to the badge. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks.

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Old 20-10-20, 08:45 PM
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Greetings again.

Well..................not sure what to say now.

Very obviously a one piece item and unusual, to say the least.

Perhaps Keith may be able to assist as to whether or not his brooched item is a similar/same construction.

What I will add though, is that the construction, flat reverse and lack of detail thereon, is very reminiscent to many Sweetheart brooches; however I'm not saying that this a falls into that category.

Apologies that I can't add anything else to assist at the moment.

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Brian
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It is unusual and somewhat crude, along with the blades, which are usually associated with OSD badges, which it is not.

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Old 21-10-20, 09:06 PM
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The plot thickens ... my mate sent me these images from an auction catalogue from a few years back.
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Old 22-10-20, 07:22 AM
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There was a similar lot in DNWís auction e few weeks ago.
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There was a similar lot in DNWís auction e few weeks ago.
There was indeed, 20th August, Lot 724; I have found the picture I kept of them, there were 2 and they sold for £130.

Still none the wiser though.

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Old 22-10-20, 09:20 PM
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There was indeed, 20th August, Lot 724; I have found the picture I kept of them, there were 2 and they sold for £130.

Still none the wiser though.

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Brian
I'll look at the back of mine when I can, I'm overseas right now for a couple of weeks.
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