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Old 03-08-17, 01:59 PM
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Default Pembroke Yeomanry buttons

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Would it be possible please for someone to list the variations of Pembroke Yeomanry buttons from early years to present day. Any any photos would be great.

Your help and time, as always, is greatly appreciated
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Old 03-08-17, 05:24 PM
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One to start with

Circa 1900-1908 PIY button

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Old 03-08-17, 07:01 PM
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In his book on Yeomanry Buttons Howard Ripley illustrates just 4 different patterns covering the period 1830s to the 1960s.

The first pattern was that originally used by the Castlemartin Yeomanry but was still specified for officers of the Pembroke Yeomanry in the 1905 Dress Regulations - initials 'CYC' within a wreath below a crown. Found in silver and bronze.

Second pattern is that illustrated by Jonathan for the Pembroke Imperial Yeomanry; found in white metal and bronze.

Third pattern just has the title Pembroke Yeomanry within the circlet, King's crown in centre, in white metal.

Fourth pattern was introduced in the 1960s and is the Prince of Wales's feathers and motto in gold anodised.

Howard also states that between the 1920s and 1960s Royal Artillery buttons were worn.

I'm not aware of any other buttons used but perhaps other members are.

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Old 03-08-17, 07:14 PM
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Here is my small collection.
Castlemartin Yeomanry Cavalry [small with a bronze finish].
Pembroke Imperial Yeomanry [backmark Hobson & Sons].
Pre-1967 Prince of Wales feathers [backmark Pitt & Co. 31 Maddox St. London W.].
Blazer button [backmark Pitt & Co. 31 Maddox St. London W.].

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Here's two that Roger mentions (poor quality photos's may be able to get better images on the weekend as have two other versions)

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Lovely buttons, thank you all for your replys, most welcome and appreciated.
Just a small personal project I'm putting together.

Thanks again
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Is there a difference between the anodised prince of Wales feathers Pembroke Yeomanry button, and the Prince of Wales Division button please?
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Old 05-08-17, 08:03 AM
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Apparently there is.

On the PoW division button the 'Ich Dien' scroll below the feathers would appear to be more or less flat and continuous - see photo attached.

On the Pembrokeshire Yeomanry buttons the scroll is in two parts and curves upwards (as in David's example in post 4 above).

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Apparently there is.

On the PoW division button the 'Ich Dien' scroll below the feathers would appear to be more or less flat and continuous - see photo attached.

On the Pembrokeshire Yeomanry buttons the scroll is in two parts and curves upwards (as in David's example in post 4 above).

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Roger,

The button in my post is not anodised it is white metal plated on copper.

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Hello David

Thanks for the clarification! The same design was used on the anodised button, so it still serves as an example of the style of scroll used on the button.

I didn't realise that this pattern was made in anything other than anodised, at least Howard Ripley's book only records a "Gold anodised" version "Introduced in the 1960s".

I have a couple of these white metal buttons but did not have them down as Pembrokeshire Yeomanry. I will have to re-think this one!

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Old 05-08-17, 11:58 AM
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Roger,

Thanks for your comments on the P of W's feathers button. I had always assumed it was Pembroke Yeomanry as it matches the pattern for their anodised button so I welcome your opinions on this.

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David,
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Thanks all again. Quite a difference on the scrolls.
Greatly appreciated.
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Hello David

Just to add to the possible confusion here are two of my silver PoW feathers buttons.

The one on the left is a mounted button, silver feathers on a domed silver button. I have always been satisfied that this is for HM Lieutenants of Counties in Wales. Backmark is "Herbert & Co Bedford St London".

The other one is not a mounted button, is similar to yours but mine has a rim. Backmark is "Pitt & Co 31 Maddox St London W" - same backmark as yours. This is the button that I had not considered to be Pembroke Yeomanry because of the comments in Howard's book.

Sticking with Howard for the moment, he wrote an article about Infantry Volunteer Battalion buttons for the MHS Bulletin in 1980 and illustrated a button of the 2nd (Prince of Wales's) Volunteer Battalion, The Devonshire Regiment and described it as "Prince of Wales's plumes, coronet and motto". The illustration showed a button looking very much like yours, also without a rim.

Now I am not saying that yours is for the 2nd Volunteer Battalion, Devonshire Regiment (or that mine is for that matter) just that there has always been doubt in my mind as to who wore the silver PoW button, rimmed or rimless!

Finally, apologies to 3dg for potentially hi-jacking his Yeomanry buttons thread!

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Hello Roger,

Thanks for your help with this. I've looked at the MHS article you mention & the Devon Regt button illustrated seems a bit less domed than the button I have, although it's difficult to tell from the photo.
My apologies to 3dg also.

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Not a problem at all, no need for apologise.
All interesting stuff, and relevant.

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