Poppy Appeal Pins

[Mike_2817]

Got my 2023 example this morning to compare with earlier editions and bulk 2023 pins when I receive them

Also noticed dated pins from 2006 to 2022 priced from £5 to £110

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224842163756

What do you feel about the costings?

[mike_vee]

Originally Posted by Mike_2817

Got my 2023 example this morning to compare with earlier editions and bulk 2023 pins when I receive them

Also noticed dated pins from 2006 to 2022 priced from £5 to £110

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/224842163756

What do you feel about the costings?

The majority of the pins he has sold are the "double dated" (2014-2018) and up t0 2021.

2007 at £110.00 down to 2011 at £40.00 is high but some people are willing to pay those prices for fakes ! The fact he has 3 or 4 each of the 2008-2011 still available shows that they are not selling very quickly .

The pins 'look' genuine but it is a minefield with all the fakes that are around but if you are lucky there are still some great bargains around.

I got this lot in November for a ridiculous price ! . I now have two full sets plus a third lot that is only missing a 2006 pin.

[Home Guard]

I am really fumped at those who make fakes, but understand the need for greed by some people. But I am surprised to read that they even fake the poppy pins!!!

Just a comment due tot he mention of fake poppy pins, and I am sure I am not alone.

Terry

[mike_vee]

Originally Posted by Home Guard

I am really fumped at those who make fakes, but understand the need for greed by some people. But I am surprised to read that they even fake the poppy pins!!!

Just a comment due tot he mention of fake poppy pins, and I am sure I am not alone.

Terry

A dealer , who was well known to forum members , produced fake medals but was eventually prosecuted for fraud and trademark infringement for selling fake poppy pins .

pleaded guilty to fraudulent trading, selling unauthorised goods and possession for sale of goods bearing a trade mark, these being the poppy pin badges.

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[Artynut]

Mike_vee, I went to the site you gave the link to in your last post just to see what was on offer. Was surprised to see so much being peddled bearing the cypher of His Majesty King Charles 111. It was my understanding that the “Royal” crown or crown depicted in the reigning monarch’s cypher is a copy rite design and therefore is subject to certain laws as regarding reproducing them. Can you set me straight? Best regards, David J.

[mike_vee]

Originally Posted by Artynut

Mike_vee, I went to the site you gave the link to in your last post just to see what was on offer. Was surprised to see so much being peddled bearing the cypher of His Majesty King Charles 111. It was my understanding that the “Royal” crown or crown depicted in the reigning monarch’s cypher is a copy rite design and therefore is subject to certain laws as regarding reproducing them. Can you set me straight? Best regards, David J.

This is pure guess work from me :

1. I don't think the actual 'cypher' is a registered trademark so , unlike the RBL two petal red poppy , it can be reproduced legally.

2. Copyright comes into play when items (badges/souvenirs etc) are produced. If a design is "registered" then anyone copying/faking that design (without permission) could be prosecuted .

When the RBL brought out their new branding the "logo" would have been registered as a trademark , so the style , colour , font etc could not be reproduced on items without their permission.

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[Artynut]

Thanks Mike, even a guess is better than no answer at all! It became an issue where I live because a security company uses a reproduction of Her Late Majesty’s crown in their badge (and have done so for the last approx. 10 years.) A letter was sent to local Federal M.P.’s, to no avail. All that transpired was a load of government “Bafflegab”! And no definitive answer. Pretty weak and sloppy! D.J.

[mike_vee]

Originally Posted by Artynut

Thanks Mike, even a guess is better than no answer at all! It became an issue where I live because a security company uses a reproduction of Her Late Majesty’s crown in their badge (and have done so for the last approx. 10 years.) A letter was sent to local Federal M.P.’s, to no avail. All that transpired was a load of government “Bafflegab”! And no definitive answer. Pretty weak and sloppy! D.J.

Official information

What are the criteria to receive permission to use the Royal Crown?

Edit : From British Registered Designs Act 1949 :

A design shall be refused registration under this Act if it involves the use of—

(a)the Royal arms, or any of the principal armorial bearings of the Royal arms, or any insignia or device so nearly resembling the Royal arms or any such armorial bearing as to be likely to be mistaken for them or it;

(b)a representation of the Royal crown or any of the Royal flags;

(c)a representation of Her Majesty or any member of the Royal family, or any colourable imitation thereof; or

(d)words, letters or devices likely to lead persons to think that the applicant either has or recently has had Royal patronage or authorisation;

unless it appears to the registrar that consent for such use has been given by or on behalf of Her Majesty or (as the case may be) the relevant member of the Royal family.

https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga.../A1?view=plain


Reality !

The British Legion did not recieve their "Royal" title until 1971 when their membership badges had the crown added but from their founding in 1921 cap badges of various groups (Bandsmen/Parking/Standard Bearers) had the QVC crown and collars had the Kings crown.

[Artynut]

Again Mike, you never cease to amaze me with the speed in which you find an answer to so many queries on this forum. You certainly are a most respected and valuable member in my opinion. I guess that “Reality” wins the day! David J.

[mike_vee]

"The Poppy Lady"

I just received my copy of this fantastic book , the author (Heather) spent many years researching it and setting up a fantastic website which I feel is the best reference site for information about Remembrance Poppies.

The photo shows some of my collection.

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[mike_vee]

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[mike_vee]

If anyone missed this official poppy pin when it was first sold , it is now available for £2.00 (postage included !) on eBay.

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/275724153528


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[mike_vee]

This lot on eBay , asking price £215.00 but as I put it on my "watch list" I could buy them for £195.00 !

In my opinion the whole top row , apart from the 2010 , are fakes.

The 2006 is the wrong size.

The 2007/2008/2009 are copies that started appearing last year.

The 'double dated' 1911-2011 has been claimed to be a 'trial' version but I can find no proof.

The 2012 has the leaf on wrong side , leaf was moved to 11 o'clock in 2011.

I wonder if anyone will be fooled !

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[Mike_2817]

Noticed them, and agree with all you say.

[mike_vee]

Just picked up another couple of Jersey RBL pin badges , they are great quality and are 'limited editions' .

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