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02-01-15, 09:24 AM
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unknown Firmin & sons
Hello People,
I found these on an old leather belt. I have had a look on the G place and have drawn a blank. They are 2.7 cms diameter. On the back is FIRMIN & SONS LD, STRAND, LONDON pics attached Any help would be most appreciated. Regards Arthur 
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02-01-15, 11:47 AM
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Hi Arthur
Looks like a very worn "Earl FitzWilliam" livery button: https://sites.google.com/site/livery...ied/home/crown Regards Graham
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02-01-15, 12:02 PM
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Hello Graham.
Please excuse my ignorance in this but, when you say livery, does that mean the dress of the person that worked for the estate.? it is not a military button?? Are the emblems, a lion of st mark, a ducal crown, and a coronet ?? Thank you for your help Graham. Best regards Arthur
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02-01-15, 03:18 PM
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Defintley not a military button. far too cluttered, for one thing.
Earl Fitzwilliam, not surprisingly from the name, was an Irish peer. For the period the button represents - 1876 to 1894 from the markings - it would have been worn by any of his uniformed servants, but not all his employees. So, perhaps a chauffeur, house servants such as footmen and perhaps a gamekeeper if he were uniformed. When one had a coronet and coart of arms one flaunted it, in an upper crust and under stated sort of way, of course! 
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