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Old 23-06-24, 09:36 PM
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Default U.S. 4th and 15h Air Force Patches - genuine or copies ?

Hi,

Can anyone advise if these US Air Force Patches are genuine or copies if possible please?

For me, the weave of the fabric looks ok in both. Plus both patches have the 'cut edge' as opposed to 'burred edge' finish, which would indicate that they are from the 1940s / 1950s.

However, the white fabric in both of them looks too nylon-like as opposed to a natural fabric look and therefore both could be reproductions.

Also, both patches fluoresce to some degree under UV light.

As far as I understand, although a good general test, the UV light test is not always a guarantee as the Americans did use Rayon in some of their insignia during WW2.

Therefore, for me these two badges could go either way.....

Would anyone be able to offer any further insights please?

Many thanks for your assistance.
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Old 24-06-24, 01:43 AM
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They look good form pictures, and some times laundering a uniform shirt with a patch can leave a residue that will often glow slightly but these don't look worn. But these patches are also now copied. I suggest finding a small thread you can do a burn test on to be sure.

Terry
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Old 30-06-24, 12:58 AM
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Hi Jon,Terry

Hope all is well.

Just to clarify, for the benefit of individuals who are not acuainted with the patches, these are USAAF WWII 1941-1948, USAF was created and seperated form USAAF 1948,

They did have a transitional period where you will see USAAF SSI on Blue USAF Ikes and jackets upto early 50's. Since then USAF do not authorize SSI.

Now to the patches.

Both 4th and 15th AF patch are reproduction, manufactured from late 60's-70s onwards , you can tell because of the loose edging, poor quality embroidery and the use of the main tell tale sign polyester thread.

Polyester thread came into use c mid 1950s by US patch manufacturers.

Prior to this they used rayon thread which is not flouresant. It is man made from natural fibres ie tree bark and then goes thru chemical treatment machine spinnerets to create the thread.

US patch makers used Rayon thread from WWII onwards(1940/41) using the schiffli embroidery process and today the official US Army SSI still use this process with technonogical improvements.

I would tend to get fully embroidered on khaki twill as per the ones I have , they are fairly cheap.

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Phill
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Old 30-06-24, 06:13 PM
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Hi, thank you all for your posts and feedback. Appreciated.
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