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Old 26-12-23, 11:02 AM
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I am aware this is not a medal site but do know that there are knowleable medal collectors here who may be able to assist with a query I have.

I got a set of medals (1914-15 Star, War medal and Victory medal, 1935 Jubilee Medal and 1937 Coronation Medal) about 15 years ago to a Capt. Thomas in the IMS (so I was told at the time)

I recently started researching the medals to verify what I had.

Thomas Harold Thomas was born 23/08/1891 in Carmarthenthire, Wales and qualified MRCS London 1914, LRCP London 1914, MRCP London 1927.
He received his 3 WWI medals for service with the RAMC in Egypt.

He married Bessie Moran (ex VAD nurse) in Lancashire during the 2nd quarter of 1919 and they moved to India with appointment as Captain, in the Indian Medical Service from 01/08/1923. Promoted to Major 08/04/1930 and Acting Lt-col in 1936. Appointed Lt-Col 08/04/1938. As far as I can ascertain he served throughout the war in Darjeeling.

After the war they settled in East London, South Africa and he passed away in December 1956. They did not have any children and I believe Bessie may have returned to the UK as I cannot find a death notice or burial record for her in South Africa.

My Question is:
For his service during WWII, what medals may he have been issued with as there were no WWII medals in the group I received. I doubt he saw any action so that may exclude WWII Stars, but I would think he may be entitled to the War Medal and Defence Medal.
Any assistance in verifying his WWII entitlement is appreciated.

Steve
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Further to my earlier query, I have discovered that Lt Col TH Thomas retired on 03 March 1940 due to ill health.

I still dont know what he did between retirement in 1940 and the move to South Africa. As for WWII medals it appears that as he only served till March 1940, he may onlt be entitled to a War Medal.
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Hi Steve,

He possible might have qualified for a long service and good conduct medal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_...duct_(Military)
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Old 22-06-24, 11:57 AM
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As an officer, not a LSGC unless he qualified prior to commission?
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Just found an emigration record for him travelling from UK to India 1946, so I suspect he may have been residing in the UK during the War years, Returned to India Post WWII (possibly to settle any affairs he still had in India) and then moved to South Africa after that.
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Hi Steve,

He possible might have qualified for a long service and good conduct medal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medal_...duct_(Military)
Served with IMS for 17 years, so just short of 18 year requirement for LS&GC
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Someone enlighten me - so officers in the IMS did qualify for a LSGC?
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Officers qualified for a LS&GC Medal after 18 years as long as 12 of those years were served in the ranks. This applied to the IMS the same as the rest of the army. This only appears around the WW2 period. I do not recall owning or seeing any George V LS&GC medals named to officers, others may know different.
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Officers qualified for a LS&GC Medal after 18 years as long as 12 of those years were served in the ranks. This applied to the IMS the same as the rest of the army. This only appears around the WW2 period. I do not recall owning or seeing any George V LS&GC medals named to officers, others may know different.
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During the Second World War, officers could also be awarded this medal if they had completed at least 12 of the 18 years in the ranks.
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From 1 May 1947 British Army officers also became eligible for the award of the medal, but only if at least twelve of their eighteen (later fifteen) years of qualifying service had been in the ranks before being commissioned and provided that the conduct requirements for the award of the medal had been met.

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Thanks both, did Thomas serve in the ranks (have I missed something in the text, quite possible knowing me).
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Thanks both, did Thomas serve in the ranks (have I missed something in the text, quite possible knowing me).
No, he never serveed in the Ranks as far as I am aware, so was never eligable for a LS&GC medal.

During WWI he was Lt and then A/Capt in the RAMC.
From 1923 - 1940 Capt, Maj, Lt-Col in the IMS
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