WW1 Colour Patch Numerals

[scotch]

Does anyone have the measurements of the numeral attached to this patch. I collected some similar numerals and am wondering if they are one and the same.

Cheers Nick

[badgecollector]

hi nick
ok i will give it a go.
ive got numerals measuring 10mm, 15mm & 20mm
bc

[fairlie63]

Hi Nick,
I think that numeral is 5/8ths inch. The authorised size was 1/2 inch as I recall but in practice they differed - the 1/2 inch oxidised ones might have come out of the AIF stores system but the brass items probably conformed to what was available through the British system or local purchase.
Keith

[badgecollector]

hi keith
ive got 3 sized numerals. what were they all used for?
in my pic i have the 10mm "2" were these used for the colour patches?
bc

[scotch]

Two examples that I've collected. Both are exactly the same size, though as you can see different lugs. Badge with hexagonal lug is lighter and slightly more like the badge pictured. They were not collected as a set and the two lugged version came with 5 others, some with a small piece of black square felt, NZ maybe?

Cheers Nick

[scotch]

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[Mike Jackson]

Originally Posted by scotch

Does anyone have the measurements of the numeral attached to this patch. I collected some similar numerals and am wondering if they are one and the same.

Cheers Nick

What is the identification of the patch? 1 Aust Corps AASC? Mike

[fairlie63]

Originally Posted by Mike Jackson

What is the identification of the patch? 1 Aust Corps AASC? Mike

1 MT Coy AASC Mike but worn without the numeral by HQ Aust Corps MT Coln and with 1-6 by the companies.

bc, not sure about the 10mm letters, I know 1/2 inch and 5/8 inch numerals were worn by both PMF and CMF corps units during 1906-21 above their shoulder titles.

Keith

[fairlie63]

The 20mm numerals might be those worn on the front of the hat and cap by the CMF 1912-21, Investment is the guy who might have the measurements of those.

Scotch, perhaps yours are the British example of the figure 1, the hex lug is not generally an indicator of Australian stuff.

[scotch]

Originally Posted by fairlie63

The 20mm numerals might be those worn on the front of the hat and cap by the CMF 1912-21, Investment is the guy who might have the measurements of those.

Scotch, perhaps yours are the British example of the figure 1, the hex lug is not generally an indicator of Australian stuff.

I think you're right Keith. With no provenance to be anything else I'd say British as well.

Cheers Nick

[fairlie63]

Originally Posted by Mike Jackson

What is the identification of the patch? 1 Aust Corps AASC? Mike

Sorry I tell a lie (well it was 0430 and in a rush to go to work) - HQ Aust Corps MT Coln had a black cloth circle in the centre of the triangle.

[scotch]

I'll take a photo of the others and post, I do recall that the NZ Rifle Regiment had Black Felt/ Cloth as a background to some of their badges, just can't remember seeing one with with the numerals. The examples I have are centered on a black square,

Cheers Nick

[Investment]

Originally Posted by fairlie63

The 20mm numerals might be those worn on the front of the hat and cap by the CMF 1912-21, Investment is the guy who might have the measurements of those.

Scotch, perhaps yours are the British example of the figure 1, the hex lug is not generally an indicator of Australian stuff.

Hi Keith,
These are the only number one numerals I have in my collection.
The larger numeral is 19 mm and the smaller numeral is 17 mm.
I've attached a picture showing both measurements of the numerals in inches, as well.
As mentioned in another post elsewhere the brass numerals I have measure between 19 mm and 20 mm in height.
Cheers,
Invest

[scotch]

Example with black felt.

[kingsley]

Haven't got a scan at present, but I have two types of 1 numerals and several sizes. One type is (as shown in this thread) has a square serif at the top, the other has a pointed serif. I have often wondered whether one type was earlier than the other, or just a manufacturer's variation.