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20th Hussars Regimental Police.
20th Hussars Regimental Police taken in England around the time of the Great War. The R.P. brassards are clearly visible on the left cuffs of three of the men. Two of the men are wearing cloth shoulder titles.
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A nice unusual photo. The presence of the embroidered titles allows a fairly narrow date range to be given to the picture.
Embroidered titles in blue on yellow were authorised for the 20th Hussars on 1st October 1901. All these early embroidered titles, worn by all arms, were declared obsolete between November 1907 and May 1908 and replaced by gilding metal titles. So allowing for some laxity in removing them this photo was probably taken no later than 1909. Information from the Army Clothing Factory records at the National Archives, Kew, classes WO359/12 and 13. Jon |
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Jon,
thank you for your informative reply. Is there anyway of knowing who were in the regimental police of any given regiment from service records? I am guessing that Regimental Policeman was an appointment rather than a rank. Would they be likely to have served in the Military Police at a later date? Simon Last edited by High Wood; 20-03-15 at 06:43 PM. |
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The epaulettes are not WW1 but the early braided type which supports the pre 1909 date.
They would be cavalry men on appointment as RP and very unlikely to transfer to CMP. |
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So, if I understand correctly, if I looked through the muster rolls for the 20th Hussars between 1901-1907 none of the entries would have Regimental Police marked against an individual's name and there is no hope of identifying the individuals in this photograph.
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It's doubtful though. From my own experience I don't know of any way you can tell who was RP unless you have a picture of them wearing the brassard.
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I have a similar un-named picture of the Regimental Police of the 8th (Service) Btn Devonshire Regiment and have no idea who any of them were. A great shame as the battalion was decimated at Fricourt on 1st July 1916.
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Last edited by Toby Purcell; 23-03-15 at 04:28 PM. |
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I put it to you and other readers that it's one of those sets of circumstances where there is no cut and dried ready answer and the reality is based upon the policies of whatever the contemporary Colonel, Adjutant and RSM had decided it would be during their tenure. Would you agree? It was probably very different in Victorian times. Harsher conditions, heavier alcohol consumption and a high proportion of Irishmen (up to 60% at various times) would have made barrack discipline a much harder regime to impose.
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As for the Victorian age: I haven't made a particular study of RP in that era but as you can see from one of my answers above I'm not entirely ignorant of military practice both pre and post Cardwell. so I don't think I'm absolutely wide of the mark in my opinions. It's always nice to learn something new though so if you've got anything to share I'd love to see it. I always find I can never learn enough from others.
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