Conductor Badges?

[RNeil]

Can anyone provide positive identification and information on these badges, are they RAOC Conductor Badges?

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[sapper533]

I would say probably Master Gunner rather than RAOC conductor, I can't think why any RAOC conductor would wear anything other than the badge with the red ring around.
There was also Staff Sergeant Majors RASC and Pay Masters RAPC, but I'm betting on RA Master Gunner.
However there are a couple of proper experts on here that will nail it down for you.
Cheers
Sean

[Toby Purcell]

sapper is bang on that Conductors, Staff Sergeant Majors and Master Gunners all wore/wear the same coat of arms within a laurel wreath. In SD pattern, as here, the difference only lies in slight differences in coloration of the woven aspects. The maroon colour makes me wonder if this could be a RAMC, or Veterinary badge. Quite a number of specialist corps had SSMs for a time, but I cannot recall the full list of who they were.

[54Bty]

They look like a copy of the early 1957 pattern badges that have a distinctive scarlet (looks maroon) coloured scroll and the colour green in the Irish quarter of the shield, which briefly followed on from the 1945 pattern badges.

Marc

[Mike_2817]

In the ASC/RASC it is 'First Class, Staff Sergeant Major' that wore the Royal Arms in Wreath. Staff Sergeants Majors (SSM) wore the Royal Arms only as did Sub Conductors RAOC.

The first reference to Royal Arms in Wreath with Coloured Border was not until c1951 but were not produced till 1953

There were 5 Conductor/ SSM 1 Class Appointments

Conductor AOC (Became Conductor RAOC then RLC)
First Class, Staff Sargeant Major ASC (Supply functions RASC merged into RAOC in 1965 and merged with Conductor RAOC in 1967)
Master Gunner, First Class RA
First Class, Staff Sargeant Major APC (Became a commissioned rank)
Schoolmaster, 1st Class AEC (Became a commissioned rank)

RAMC was not among them.

[Toby Purcell]

Originally Posted by Mike_2817

In the ASC/RASC it is 'First Class, Staff Sergeant Major' that wore the Royal Arms in Wreath. Staff Sergeants Majors (SSM) wore the Royal Arms only as did Sub Conductors RAOC.

The first reference to Royal Arms in Wreath with Coloured Border was not until c1951 but were not produced till 1953

There were 5 Conductor/ SSM 1 Class Appointments

Conductor AOC (Became Conductor RAOC then RLC)
First Class, Staff Sargeant Major ASC (Supply functions RASC merged into RAOC in 1965 and merged with Conductor RAOC in 1967)
Master Gunner, First Class RA
First Class, Staff Sargeant Major APC (Became a commissioned rank)
Schoolmaster, 1st Class AEC (Became a commissioned rank)

RAMC was not among them.

Thank you, Mike, for that comprehensive rundown of appointments and changes, very useful. I wonder which of the appointments that you listed wore subject badge. Perhaps the apparent maroon is a discoloured scarlet, as suggested above.