Staff Officer Badge? - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Alex Rice · #1 09-11-20, 12:05 PM

Hi All
Is this a Colonel / Brigadiers pagri badge?
Thanks, cheers,
Alex

cbuehler · #2 10-11-20, 01:13 AM

A brooch fitting does not necessarily mean that it was intended as a Pagri badge,
but that is certainly one possibility.

CB

Alex Rice · #3 10-11-20, 05:56 AM

Thanks CB. What other headdress would require a pin fitting though? I am not too clued up on these but assumed other headdress like caps, berets or garrison caps would use the standard bullion badge? Could it be a Royal Devonshire Yeo badge?
Cheers,
Alex

Milmed · #4 10-11-20, 09:28 AM

Hi Alex,
These were worn by South African Staff officers c.WWII on the Polo helmet, So yes attached via the pin to the pagri.

Steven

Frank Kelley · #5 10-11-20, 10:00 AM

Was that a local find, I wonder, you do encounter both bullion embroidered and bronze badges on Service Dress, I agree completely with Steven, a very nice thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Rice

Thanks CB. What other headdress would require a pin fitting though? I am not too clued up on these but assumed other headdress like caps, berets or garrison caps would use the standard bullion badge? Could it be a Royal Devonshire Yeo badge?
Cheers,
Alex

manchesters · #6 10-11-20, 10:10 AM

Alex,

That rear pin fitting is a perfect example of the type of pin that was originally fitted on a badge and meant to be there from the start, unlike many pins which were added later to be used as brooches.

A variety of possible uses but certainly meant to fasten to something soft, such as a pagri that could easily be pierced.

regards

Alex Rice · #7 10-11-20, 11:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milmed

Hi Alex,
These were worn by South African Staff officers c.WWII on the Polo helmet, So yes attached via the pin to the pagri.

Steven

Hi Steven
Thanks. I thought the SA officers wore the badge with the 4 staves, as attached?
Cheers,
Alex

Alex Rice · #8 10-11-20, 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by manchesters

Alex,

That rear pin fitting is a perfect example of the type of pin that was originally fitted on a badge and meant to be there from the start, unlike many pins which were added later to be used as brooches.

A variety of possible uses but certainly meant to fasten to something soft, such as a pagri that could easily be pierced.

regards

Thanks Simon
Yes, the pin definitely looks original.
Cheers,
Alex

Milmed · #9 10-11-20, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Rice

Hi Steven
Thanks. I thought the SA officers wore the badge with the 4 staves, as attached?
Cheers,
Alex

Hi Alex,
The 4 staves one you show replaced the previous one you showed c.1954 if I have my dates correct. This was of course replaced again post 1961 with the gilt 'Lion over castle' staff badge.

Steven

KLR · #10 10-11-20, 03:25 PM

Apart from the bullion, OSD the last one is my grandmother's sweetheart badge - with a pin exactly like yours!

manchesters · #11 10-11-20, 03:26 PM

Julian,

Can you show the reverse please.

regards

KLR · #12 10-11-20, 08:53 PM

OK, I'll take pictures of the reverse in a day or two.

KLR · #13 14-11-20, 01:50 PM

I've now got around to show the reverses of the three badges.

see page 10

manchesters · #14 14-11-20, 02:16 PM

Julioan,

Thankyou for the reverse photos.

Yours is clearly a Jeweller made sweetheart badge and not a military badge conversion and the brooch fitting is typical as such.

the badge in the opening post has a brooch style different to yours, a type with the long thin hinge that I referred to as typical of correctly made Military badges intended for a brooch fastening.

regards

Frank Kelley · #15 14-11-20, 04:57 PM

From the photographs, I would say it is very different.

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Originally Posted by KLR

Apart from the bullion, OSD the last one is my grandmother's sweetheart badge - with a pin exactly like yours!