ANY IDEAS WHAT THIS BADGE IS?

[milcollectorblue]

Tucked away in a seemingly long-lost tin of other militaria is this, an apparently old (WW1 or earlier) badge. The banner has what appears to be a lozenge shape in the centre as worn on the arm by early Cadet units. There is no writing in the lozenge, more of a squiggle!! The lugs are black and it has the correct silicon brazing. The badge itself is constructed of hard gilding metal.

Does anyone have any ideas what this badge represents?

[GriffMJ]

....looks like a cotton shuttle in the standard?

[norfolk regt man]

Try the peel family of Staffordshire, they use half a lion and a shuttle on there badges.

[milcollectorblue]

Thank you both for your invaluable input and thoughts, which are greatly appreciated.

I have looked at Peel of Staffordshire, but that crest has the lion wearing a collar with 3 bezants and the cotton shuttle is being held between the lion's paws (see link attached). I cannot find any crest with a demi-rampant lion holding a standard that also depicts what looks like a cotton shuttle.

https://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages...2490&name=Peel

Unfortunately, I do not have a copy of "A Genealogical and Heraldic Dictionary of the Landed Gentry" by Burke where I hoped this crest would have been depicted.

The quest continues

[GriffMJ]

The Town of Salford.... its a civic badge.

Crest : On a Wreath of the Colours a demi Lion Argent supporting a Lance proper therefrom flowing to the sinister a Flag Azure charged with a Shuttle Or.
https://www.heraldry-wiki.com/herald...?title=Salford

[milcollectorblue]

Good morning Griff,

Many thanks for your industrious sleuthing work. It certainly seems like this badge is the emblem shown atop the Salford Town Coat of Arms. I just need some of my other colleagues to conduct some more in-depth digging to try and establish who or what organisation in or around Salford may have worn what looks like a cap badge. Luckily they happen to live and work close to Salford, which might explain how it ended up being tucked away for so many years.

It just goes to show the depth of knowledge out there that I am so glad I and others can call upon when we come across 'something' that mystifies us .

Kind Regards,

Lovat

[JON188]

Could it be tramway’s?

[billy]

It’s well made, either local Council? Tramways as already mentioned or could this be a collar badge to a Pals Btn. ?

[milcollectorblue]

Originally Posted by JON188

Could it be tramway’s?

Interestingly, I have already asked exactly the same question .

In addition, and because there is precedent that such badges were also used by the likes of school inspectors (see Glasgow Education badge), I thought it may have been used in a similar role. Again, I have gone back to my colleagues and suggested they try and make contact with a local historical group in Salford to see whether that avenue provides an authoritative response.

In the meantime please keep these suggestions coming. I'm hopeful that between this knowledgeable group and perhaps other local Salford persons the origins of the 'mystery' badge will be solved

Thanks again,

Lovat

[mike_vee]

Doesn't appear to be Tramways .

Salford Corporation Tramways

Also , early Salford police badges seem to have also been 'municipal arms'.

https://british-police-history.uk/f/salford

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[milcollectorblue]

Originally Posted by mike_vee

Doesn't appear to be Tramways .

Salford Corporation Tramways

Also , early Salford police badges seem to have also been 'municipal arms'.

https://british-police-history.uk/f/salford

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Thanks Mike,

The search goes on. It's too well made for it to be anything other than an official badge (and my colleagues have two of them, both exactly the same), so it's just a matter of digging a little bit deeper .

[Alan O]

The only pals collars that I can name is the Welsh and Wandswoth Pals (the Bn without their own cap badge). I suspect that it's civil rather than military.

[milcollectorblue]

Originally Posted by Alan O

The only pals collars that I can name is the Welsh and Wandswoth Pals (the Bn without their own cap badge). I suspect that it's civil rather than military.

Thanks Alan,

And 'civil' rather than 'military' is now the direction of travel my colleagues are looking to adopt.

Regards,

Lovat