Lancashire Hussars.I.Y

[tonyb]

Hi all,
I've just been looking through the dealers section on the forum , specificly David Smith's online shop where I came across a slidered Lancashire Hussars .I.Y slidered badge .
I have one of these badges in my collection ,however have never considered it to be genuine, it looks a good strike and feels ok but i've never really liked the slider , the other reason for my suspision was the price paid compared to what they go for.
I have posted a couple of images aand would be grateful for any comments good or bad from the forum.
Thanks Tony.

[Paul Spellman]

Tony,
I know this is a very old thread and not sure if you still have the badge but since you got no replies I thought I would piggy-back it if you don't mind with the badge I got today and hopefully we both will get some replies.
Mine is lugged but seems a very good strike,relatively happy but it came very cheap as did Tony's which always is a worry!

[Paul Spellman]

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[Rockape]

I believe there was more than one manufacturer so some variants out there. There are a lot of fakes doing the rounds and are difficult to tell apart from an original in some circumstances.

I start with counting seven seeds around the centre seed. A lot of the fakes have 6 seeds. After that it's a look at the loops/slider. Do they look period features or modern and how does it feels in the hand. Striking is not always a good indicator for this badge.

[Peter Brydon]

Not so long ago I had a clearout of my suspect Lancashire Hussars cap badges and in doing so ended up with about half of those LH cap badges I had collected.

I am attaching a photo I was sent many years ago of an old LH collection, what a pity I don't have a picture of the backs of the badges. The 4 cap badges on the top row are I.Y. ones.

Interesting that a few weeks ago there was a damaged LH badge on E bay ( Paul I think this was mentioned in a conversation we had ) which appeared to have some provenance as the seller also had a number of LH collars he was selling and which I don't think have been reproduced. That badge sold for a very good figure despite the damage and which I think is a reflection of the difficulty of finding good examples of LH ( and LHIY ) badges.

One thing that was interesting on the badge sold on E bay was that it was lugged and the lugs were east and west but high up, near the top of the rose , higher that those on all the other lugged LH badges I have seen.

P.

[Paul Spellman]

Hi Peter,
Thanks for the image.
I do remember the badge and conversation, the seller did have some nice and unusual items, I think because of the damage I did not bid.
It makes it difficult with this badge to tell what is right and what is wrong particularly when even some decent dealers sell to me ones that look a bit ropey.
I must admit I prefer the one Tony posted to the example I did.
Thanks Rockape about the seeding tip
Paul

[Rockape]

Paul/Peter,

This is a tricky badge but there are some good 'uns out there if you look carefully. I will try to show my examples in a week or so (due to work commitments) and try to provide a short commentary.

[Rockape]

As promised I have uploaded some photos of LHIY and LHY examples including some notes on seed variety!

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...p?albumid=2966

As a taster I have this to show

[manchesters]

Rockape,

Interesting stuff.
I see in your album the brass coloured LHY badge with loops appears to have been made from an altered IY stamping mould (or whatever they are called).

There is a space for I.Y. at the end but it was never stamped, so I assume it was removed from the stamper rather than the badge.

Must be soon after 1908 manufacture.

regards

[Rockape]

Hi Simon,

There are traces of the I.Y. on that part of the scroll but the marks are feint. It is possible that the die was altered by grinding one half of the die but it wasn't done sufficiently to completely erase the letters.

[manchesters]

Yes, I thought the same.

Have you seen any others like that? They must be rare.

regards

[tonyb]

Originally Posted by Paul Spellman

Tony,
I know this is a very old thread and not sure if you still have the badge but since you got no replies I thought I would piggy-back it if you don't mind with the badge I got today and hopefully we both will get some replies.
Mine is lugged but seems a very good strike,relatively happy but it came very cheap as did Tony's which always is a worry!

Hello Paul,
Bit late with my reply, yes I still have the badge shown in first thread, though still not convinced its correct, I've aquired another LHIY since, a lugged version, I prefer the lugged badge to the slidered.
Cheers Tony.

[Rockape]

Hi Tony,

I prefer the one with lugs too but for a different reason. Look at the void on the left hand side above the scroll (shown on photo). The badges I have all have that feature including the slider variant.

Simon,

The only other one I have seen so far is K&K 1471 but there must be others around.

[Peter Brydon]

Attached are extracts of some correspondence I had with the late Bob Smith about the Lancashire Hussars in the 1980`s which might be of passing interest.

Bob was the co author of the series on booklets on the Yeomanry Regiments published by the AMOT and as can be seen he was keen to get a booklet on the Lancashire Hussars published but unfortunately it never came about.


P.B.

[Paul Spellman]

Thanks Rockape,
Your images are very helpful and the note on the voiding on Tony's badge also.
It is surprising and disappointing the amount of fakes of this particular badge there are.
Paul