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Old 04-07-09, 01:29 PM
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Default 1st Surrey Rifles (21st County of London)

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I recently obtained this brooch and as its not my collecting interest I am thinking of putting it in the Sales thread but before I do - is it genuine?
I ask this because the Battle Honour in the top of the cross reads S.Africa 1900-03 and not 02.
The scroll beneath the crown reads 'Concordia Vict Rex' and the date in the bottom arm of the Cross is 1803.
Peter
PS - Have just noticed I put this in the Canadian section and not the British Section if a Mod is handy could they move it for me please - Thanks!
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Old 04-07-09, 03:19 PM
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Not only the date is wrong according to Kings, my other ref's don’t go into Officers badges so I don’t really know if it’s a later officers badge,
I believe this badge was discontinued around 1935 when the regt. became engineers and later on nine mile snipers. In 1945 the badge returned for a while although they were still artillery.
K & Kings vol 1.
21st County of London Battalion (First Surrey Riffles)
A cross as in the Order of the Bath, on toparm of which is inscribed South Africa 1900-2 and on the bottom arm the date 1803 (this being the date of the formation of the first Surrey Volunteers). Above the cross a scroll inscribed Concordia Victrix surmounted by the Imperial Crown. On the cross a circlet inscribed First Surrey Rifles with, in the centre a strung bugle.
Below the cross a scroll inscribed 21st County of London.
In blackened-brass. Officers in silver-plate or blackened white-metal with the high-points polished.
Still it could be a private purchase officer's badge, they sometime had mistakes on them.
Not much help sorry,
WF
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Old 04-07-09, 04:26 PM
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Thanks for that WF.
As I mentioned this is a brooch not an actual badge. The badge, as you have explained has 1900-02 so it looks like whoever made this brooch may have got confused with the 1803 when they put 1900-03.
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Peter
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Old 04-07-09, 04:48 PM
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It is probably OK, made as a sweetheart type brooch, there is often a little "Artistic Impression" in these badges. I cannot see anyone going to so much trouble (as this looks a very well made brooch) to fake something to sell as an original with such blatant errors?

I doubt if anyone would even realise as these were made for wear as a representation of a loved ones Regimental Badge.

London Regt Sweethearts I believe are very collectable, get it on ebay I'm sure you'll get a decent price for it!

This one below is SUPERB!

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Old 04-07-09, 06:02 PM
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Thanks Andy.
I'm not much of a one for selling on E-Bay so I've put it on the Forum Sales/Wanted, in case one of the members might like to give it a good home!
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Old 04-07-09, 06:03 PM
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Yes peter, after engaging brain, putting glasses on and then reading properly, I realized that I'd gone-off half cocked thinking it as an actual badge made into a brooch, which I believe was the more common type of sweetheart brooch.

Andy in correct what he says about the sweetheart brooches, they can be very collectable and veritable works of art,

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