Advice sought. Collars or cap badges?

[bess55]

Gents, the two attached I've had for many years and am happy they are right - unless advised otherwise. What I am unsure of, is if they are cap badges or collars? Advice appreciated.

Thank you guys

Bess

[oc14]

In my opinion both are collar badges (The King's Own being an officers collar badge). There is no reason why either couldn't have been worn as cap badges although I don't think that was the original purpose for either.

PL

[Alan O]

I agree.

[Keith Blakeman]

It's possible, but in this case I think unlikely, the King's Own was originally gilt which has been rubbed back to base metal, in which case it would/could be a cap badge.

[bess55]

Thank you guys, appreciated as ever.

Bess

[KLR]

In any case, it is usually agreed that Jennens marked any OR badges (if they did make OR badges at all)!

[Frank Kelley]

From the photographs, I would say the King's Own is simply a bronze OSD collar with wear to it's obverse.

Originally Posted by Keith Blakeman

It's possible, but in this case I think unlikely, the King's Own was originally gilt which has been rubbed back to base metal, in which case it would/could be a cap badge.

[Alex Rice]

Originally Posted by Frank Kelley

From the photographs, I would say the King's Own is simply a bronze OSD collar with wear to it's obverse.

I agree with Frank. King's Own officer full dress cap badges were silver and I don't think they wore gilt badges, so more likely an OSD badge.
Cheers,
Alex

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by Alex Rice

I agree with Frank. King's Own officer full dress cap badges were silver and I don't think they wore gilt badges, so more likely an OSD badge.
Cheers,
Alex

An easily overlooked point, was an item actually worn. So many badges around claimed to be something that weren’t.

[leigh kitchen]

"Churchill" states that the lion over lettering collar badge was worn polished on officers khaki drill, and in gilt finish by Warrant Officers.

[bess55]

Thanks all, great stuff. Fairly happy they arr both collars and shall be filed accordingly.

Thank you guys.

Bess

[Waterloo1815]

Guys,
I've a similar question as to a badge I recently purchased. It's had (crude) copper loops fitted in place of the missing blades. The JR GAUNT LONDON is so small it is difficult to read even with a magnifying glass! But I don't think there are any dots between the letters.
Again, I suppose this is a cap badge as opposed to a collar badge? I'm only saying this because it seems a bit large for a collar, but obviously I could be totally wrong. It was described as Edwardian, but I've no idea how to check this. Any info would be helpful.
Cheers,
Leo

[Alan O]

Collars were generally lugged whilst the blades were for cap badges.

[leigh kitchen]

An officer's badge perhaps described as "Edwardian" in order to represent the badge as an OR's lugged cap badge of that period rather than the later slidered version?

[Waterloo1815]

Thanks for the prompt replies guys.
I think I'll describe it in my notes as an Officers cap badge then?
Thanks again.