Second London Rifles

I am aware the 2nd London Rifles, was the predecessor of the 6th City of London Rifles, but cannot seem to find a reference to it in Kipling & King. Am I simply missing it, or was it perhaps not included?

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With thanks, as always,

Peter.

[Phil2M]

Afternoon PJ,

I have gone through KK vol 1 from cover to cover. If the 2nd London Rifles are there then both of us must be blind

Cheers

Phil

Originally Posted by phil2m

Afternoon PJ,

I have gone through KK vol 1 from cover to cover. If the 2nd London Rifles are there then both of us must be blind

Cheers

Phil

Thanks, Phil. There must be hope for me yet, then .

[Phil2M]

No problem, I can see no reference in Wilkinson, Wilkinson-Latham or Gaylor's books either.

Phil

[Peter Brydon]

I find the whole subject to the lineage of the London Territorials and Volunteeers incredibly complicated.

Attached are some extracts from "Historial Record of the London Regiment" and an article from the journal of the Society for Army Historical Research "Badges of the London Regiment 1908-1937"

The badge ( I think ) is that of the 2nd London Rifle Volunteers and had Hugh King had an example available when he wrote the book,it would have appeared in Chapter 26 -The Volunteers.

He (H.K. ) shows the officers helmet plate of the 3rd City of London Rifle Volunteers at fig. 1568.

P.B.

[davec2]

Originally Posted by Peter J

I am aware the 2nd London Rifles, was the predecessor of the 6th City of London Rifles, but cannot seem to find a reference to it in Kipling & King. Am I simply missing it, or was it perhaps not included?

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With thanks, as always,

Peter.

Now you know why I am historically ignorant !!!!

I don't get confused, I just try to collect the Londons..... mostly unsuccessfully .....

Dave.

[Keith Blakeman]

It's not in there, neither are the majority of other pre-London Regiment Volunteers be they from London, Middlesex, Kent or Surrey. It would take a book of massive proportions to illustrate the different headress insignia worn by the units, glengarry, fsc, helmet plate, forage cap, etc.

The formations are not that hard to understand once you get your head around it bearing in mind most of these were VB's of the KRRC or Rifle Brigade but with most from Middlesex keeping their old RVC numbering. I'm always impressed by collectors who can rattle off the affiliations of the Middlesex RV including their various re-numberings.

I find the whole subject fascinating and strongly suggest anyone with an interest puts Ray Westlake's "Tracing the Rifle Volunteers" high up on their Christmas list!

[davec2]

Cheers Keith,

It will be on my " wish list " for next year !!!

Dave.

Thanks for your help gents.

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Keith,

Originally Posted by Keith Blakeman

It's not in there, neither are the majority of other pre-London Regiment Volunteers be they from London, Middlesex, Kent or Surrey. It would take a book of massive proportions to illustrate the different headress insignia worn by the units, glengarry, fsc, helmet plate, forage cap, etc.

The formations are not that hard to understand once you get your head around it bearing in mind most of these were VB's of the KRRC or Rifle Brigade but with most from Middlesex keeping their old RVC numbering. I'm always impressed by collectors who can rattle off the affiliations of the Middlesex RV including their various re-numberings.

I find the whole subject fascinating and strongly suggest anyone with an interest puts Ray Westlake's "Tracing the Rifle Volunteers" high up on their Christmas list!

With regard to the above highlighted comment, would I be correct in saying that the Second London Rifles were the 10th VB of the KRRC

With thanks,

Peter.

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by Peter J

Thanks for your help gents.

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Keith,



With regard to the above highlighted comment, would I be correct in saying that the Second London Rifles were the 10th VB of the KRRC

With thanks,

Peter.

Yes, that's correct. Attached is the earlier glengarry.

The only Middlesex RV badge I have which actually says VB is the 5th West Middlesex who were the 4th VB KRRC. The others all carry their RVC numbering.

[Peter Brydon]

I will also keep a look out for the Westlake book,but for those ( like me ) with only a passing interest in the lineage of the London Regiment,the book "Historical Record of the London Regiment" by Colonel A.R. Martin is worth picking up if you ever come across a copy.

P.B.

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by 8thfoot

I will also keep a look out for the Westlake book,but for those ( like me ) with only a passing interest in the lineage of the London Regiment,the book "Historical Record of the London Regiment" by Colonel A.R. Martin is worth picking up if you ever come across a copy.

P.B.

Plenty of Lancashire/Liverpool in there too Peter.

[orasot]

Interesting thread & two lovely badges shown here by Peter & Keith, excellent stuff. For those interested, there's plenty of the Ray Westlake books available on Abe books at various prices, cheers,
Wilf.

[Peter Brydon]

Quite a few on E bay as well.

P.B.

[KLR]

Keith / Peter
Do you mean that there is "Plenty of Lancashire/Liverpool" in the Martin book on the London Regiment ???
Julian