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Old 11-05-14, 01:23 PM
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Default WELSH HORSE - PLASTRON UNIFORM

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Here's a rare/strange photo of a sergeant in the Welsh Horse as wearing a plain plastron with unmarked buttons.

Photo taken at A.D.Maling, The Studio, Diss, Norfolk (where they were in training) sent on 14/11/14 to a Mr G Russell, 65 Inverness Place, Roath Park, Cardiff.
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Old 11-05-14, 02:22 PM
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Jonathan,

Thanks for posting what is a scarce photo indeed.

Do you not think that the subject is likely to be posted from a regular lancer regiment and is wearing his old tunic with his new cap badge?

As with the Welsh Guards NCOs were brought in from other units.

I have an undated PPC of a group of NCOs at camp with one of the sergeants wearing the regimental badge above his stripes on the standard issue tunic.

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Excellent pic...... just to add, I dont know how accurate the photo below is to the original kit?
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That is a superb photograph, it does make you wonder what might have been if only they had been raised before the war!


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Here's a rare/strange photo of a sergeant in the Welsh Horse as wearing a plain plastron with unmarked buttons.

Photo taken at A.D.Maling, The Studio, Diss, Norfolk (where they were in training) sent on 14/11/14 to a Mr G Russell, 65 Inverness Place, Roath Park, Cardiff.
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Based on Kevin`s comments could he be Orderly Room Sergeant Ball, late 16th Lancers ?


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Old 11-05-14, 05:14 PM
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Have done some investigation work and totally agree that he was in one of the lancer regiments before the Welsh Horse.

He was in 'A' Squadron in Aug 1914 as Corporal A.E Russell, but by the time (Nov) he was in training (maybe trainer) in Diss he was promoted to sergeant, probably why he had the photo taken.

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Another photo of Sgt Russell in a less formal and relaxed pose
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Another super image!
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Afternoon all.

After all these years have managed to find out why our man (and Welsh Horse) is wearing a plastron top.

Seems as if the Welsh Horse had a motorcycle section/attachment/unit who wore them as standard uniform.

As can be seen from the photo (found on National Museum of Wales website who seem to have a large WH photo album given to them in the 1920's) our man is first on the right.

Welsh Horse cap badges and shoulder titles being worn but plain large buttons instead of general WH buttons.

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Great work Jonathan.
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Would those plastron front tunics be unique to the regiment or the same as the RFC?

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Fantastic Jonathan, thanks button.
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Would those plastron front tunics be unique to the regiment or the same as the RFC?

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Good afternoon CB.

Can't say if the uniform is unique to the W.H but have only seen them being worn in the images in this link (hence why taken years to identify what the uniform is) but I sure others on the forum may find pictures of this type of uniform being worn by other regiments.

Agree it looks similar to the RFC maternity uniform but I think (RFC experts may/may not confirm) that those didn't have large buttons on them.

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Very interesting, thank you for posting. I'm not aware of any other unit wearing this precise pattern of jacket, regardless of role, so I think that there's quite a good chance that it was unique. As you say the RFC pattern was very different, with buttons recessed so as not to snag on tension wires on aircraft. The County Associations enabled small contracts for special patterns of uniform like this example. The Yeomanry were particularly prone to oddities between the 2nd Boer War and WW1.
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Jonathan, absolutely superb images, I'd be very interested to see more from the album you mention, I'd be slightly surprised if it was a unique pattern just for the Welsh Horse, but, it certainly might have been, without actually knowing the who, what, where and when.
The original 1912 Pattern Jackets and all the subsequent versions worn by the RFC were completely different than this jacket and were rather more purposeful in their design owing nothing to the past.
I wonder if this was a case of taking the Home Service Full Dress style of a lancer and turning it into Service Dress as a practical jacket for a few, I suspect it cannot just be coincidence, given the regiment concerned.
Again, thanks for posting these superb photographs.
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Good afternoon CB.

Can't say if the uniform is unique to the W.H but have only seen them being worn in the images in this link (hence why taken years to identify what the uniform is) but I sure others on the forum may find pictures of this type of uniform being worn by other regiments.

Agree it looks similar to the RFC maternity uniform but I think (RFC experts may/may not confirm) that those didn't have large buttons on them.

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