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Thank you! That is the document that answered the question.
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Thanks for the reg. I am still unclear re Section 1 Para 17. Would it be possible to post that as well?
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Here is Section 1 Para 17
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Thank-you. Iiuc, the CFSOC would be after the army.
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I don't recognize the cap badge (unless it's a PPCLI one) picture quality isn't the best but it certainly looks like crossed arrows of the FSSF on the collars which makes sense due to the uniform.
I did find this in the dress regs in relation to wearing FSSF boots. I guess in due time CAF will show us the entire uniform. |
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Those were very informative documents and from what I am reading informs me that in the order of precedence for Commands for the CF, CANSOFCOM does indeed fall after Land Force Command. The trouble is that that this document is out of date as Canada Command, Canadian Expeditionary Forces Command and Canadian Operational Support Command were all stood down in June 2012 and were merged into Canadian Joint Operations Command. As well in August 2011, Land Force Command reverted to the pre-1968 title of the Canadian Army. So what is required is a more recent document that takes into consideration the name changes and confirms CANSOFCOM's present position within the order of precedence.
In the CFP 2000 document the precedence list for CANSOFCOM units was nicely laid out as:JTF2, CSOR, 427 Sqn and CFJNBCDC. I have made contact with CANSOFCOM in order to get an answer on some of the precedence and dress questions and this is what I have been provided concerning their new uniform. -As for the issuance of the SOF DEU, it is only issued to CANSOFCOM operators but those encompass more than just the SOF operators with CSOR. You may also be aware that, the Distinctive Environmental Uniform (DEU) is part of a wider effort to assign unique dress to CANSOFCOM and is part of a series of measures to visibly identify the Command’s distinct nature within the Canadian Armed Forces. The change from CADPAT to MultiCam is just one of those efforts and the DEU is the last of the clothing initiatives which is in the developmental stage with uniform and accoutrements continuing to be refined.- I take this to read that the uniform will be for all of those employed with CANSOFCOM. I also asked about badges and received this. -The cap badge has the traditional outer area used in CAF cap badges that consists of the crown, oak leaves and a scroll that was developed in conjunction with the Canadian Heraldic Authority. CANSOFCOM choose the wording in the scroll “COMMISSA UT VIAM INVENIAT”, which means COMMITTED TO FINDING A WAY, and the inner ring consisting of the black circle around a V-42 dagger. The cap badge was recently approved by the Governor General of Canada and is now the official cap badge for CANSOFCOM operators. The crossed arrows is one of the distinctive insignia on the CANSOFCOM DEU and is a direct link to the same insignia worn by the First Special Service Force. The FSSF Arrowhead is the last of the distinctive insignia on the CANSOFCOM DEU and is again a direct link to the same patch worn by the FSSF.- So CANSOFCOM now has a cap badge worn by all members of the command that replaces their Element, Branch, Corps or Regimental badges. Crossed Arrows is the collar badge and the red FSSF Arrowhead (minus the CANADA USA) is the shoulder badge. With respect to the boots, they are similar to the black post-WWII US Army Paratroop Boots and are higher and are a different design from the black SSF boots worn by during the 1970s-1990s. |
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Badges, CANSOFCOM
ITEM NAME: INSIGNIA,SERVICE HAT AND SERVICE CAP
CANSOFCOM MATERIAL OVERALL METAL ATTACHMENT METHOD RETAINER FASTENER CLIP SPECIAL FEATURES GOLD PLATED; BROWN AND BLACK EPOXY ENAMEL ITEM NAME: BUTTON,INSIGNIA CANSOFCOM MATERIAL OVERALL ZINC ATTACHMENT METHOD SPLIT TYNE SHANK SPECIAL FEATURES GOLD PLATED; SIZE: 20 LIGNE |
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Bruce, is there a badge for the CSOR?
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Yes there is, as from my previous post, this is the information that CANSOFCOM provided me. The cap badge has the traditional outer area used in CAF cap badges that consists of the crown, oak leaves and a scroll that was developed in conjunction with the Canadian Heraldic Authority. CANSOFCOM choose the wording in the scroll “COMMISSA UT VIAM INVENIAT”, which means COMMITTED TO FINDING A WAY, and the inner ring consisting of the black circle around a V-42 dagger. The cap badge was recently approved by the Governor General of Canada and is now the official cap badge for CANSOFCOM operators.
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Thanks Ed. I was under the impression that was only the command badge.
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Bill, this is the command badge.
ED Canadian Special Operations Forces Command - Command Badge - front copy.jpg |
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Bill, there is no specific badge for the CSOR, if that is what you are asking. The whole command may adopt the CANSOFCOM badges. They are slowly making their way into the DND catalogues.
ITEM NAME: INSIGNIA,SHOULDER SLEEVE CANADIAN ARMY; CANADIAN SPECIAL OPERATIONS REGIMENT COLOR LIGHT GREEN EMBROIDERY ON CADPAT(TW); DARK GREEN EMBROIDERED BORDER ATTACHMENT METHOD SEW-ON FEATURES PROVIDED LEGEND 'CSOR' SMALL Last edited by ddaydodger; 13-10-17 at 05:28 PM. |
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Bruce, I should clarify, not the shoulder titles, but a cap badge.
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This graphic shows the insignia of the CANSOFCOM.
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?f...&theater&ifg=1
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Some of you might be interested in this article in today's 'Ottawa Citizen' about the new DEU for Canadian Special Forces:
http://ottawacitizen.com/news/canada...8-cc7ebcfb37e9 David |
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