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#1
22-10-08, 03:27 AM
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Royal Ulster Rifles?
Never seen one with Faugh a Ballagh on it. Is the genuine and worth buying?
Cheers 
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#2
22-10-08, 10:07 AM
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This is a "fantasy badge".
The RIR/RUR did not use this motto. It also looks roughly cast with solid scroll ends - very poor production. John Last edited by John Mulcahy; 22-10-08 at 10:08 AM. Reason: added badge appearance comments.
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#3
22-10-08, 02:07 PM
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Rur/sair
These cast badges with this motto are thought to have been worn by the South African Irish Regiment. But I have been in contact with the South African Irish Assoc., and they cannot confirm that it was ever worn !.
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#4
23-10-08, 12:09 AM
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To the best of my knowledge the SA Irish badge is only ever found as a "Leinster" harp not a "Maid of Eireann" version - but I am no "expert" on this unit. They were white metal worn 1940 -1945 and 1953-1956. Have a look at this link.
John http://www.militarybadges.info/pages/asstd/irish.htm
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#5
23-10-08, 03:09 AM
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Fellas, thanks for the feedback.
It's only NZ$18.50 (6.75 sterling) so might get it anyway but I have to ask, why would someone go to the trouble of casting a badge, albeit badly, with completely the wrong motto on it? Surely the RIR/RUR is common enough not to get it that wrong. I will try and get a picture of the back of it just for the sake of interest. Rob
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#6
23-10-08, 03:22 AM
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some of the other fanstasy badges knocking around....
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#7
23-10-08, 04:17 AM
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The dealer just sent me a picture of the back. Please don't laugh......
I think that NZ$0.18c might be a better price.
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#8
23-10-08, 04:28 AM
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#9
23-10-08, 10:41 PM
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Gentlemen,
I feel I must make some comments(points to consider) here,that I hope are worthwhile. This is a common style of local 'Copy' made as 'replacement' items for serving personal ( & probably 'extras' for 'souveniers' also  ), during WW2 (at least) by the local 'craftsmen' in Egypt. Sandcast,definitely & of the period ,almost certainly. This distinct style of makeshift slider is quite often found on cast versions of NZ & other Country's badges ,that served in this theater. One of a few different maker's styles, but 'genuinely' made at that time, & also possibly a little later ? I have a couple,from returned soldier's 'collections/souveniers' of that time.The only problem is......what badge was actually used as the 'die' here.As these were made by using origional examples, virtually, always.?? There is,however the possibility of using 2 different badges( or parts,thereof) to make the one? Why? I do'nt know,but I doubt the locals had the thought of using a different mottoe here? There are features on the above badge that lend credence to this possibility also.But once again,done at the time, & probably worn like this also, for reasons unknown.??? Also ,have had some minor dealings ( always happy )with the vendor here & though he may not be ultra-knowledgeable in this field, he would not puposely attempt to deceive. I think a lot of the items he sells ,are locally aquired.For him ,the very lower regions of the South Island of NZ. A little like the north of Scotland,for the UK. Your thoughts ? Cheers ! Steve (NZ) Last edited by dragonz18; 24-10-08 at 12:30 AM.
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#10
24-10-08, 12:38 AM
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Steve is right,
this dealer is genuine bloke and would not sell this as anything other than a curiosity. I too have bought some good stuff from him and have been very happy with my purchases. I thought this might have been a rare gem, but that is why I have brought it to the attention of the forum. Its still available on www.trademe.co.nz should anyone want to buy it. Cheers Rob
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#11
24-10-08, 01:46 AM
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Steve
that is a very interesting post and is certainly worthwhile, I think one can discount a Royal Ulster Rifles connection, I am relatively certain that none of the WW2 battalions of the regiment ever served in North Africa and the motto is absolutely wrong for the regiment. The 1st South African Irish did serve in North Africa, but the Maid of Eireann harp appears to be wrong for them, quite a puzzle - I take your word that this type of badge was produced in the region at the time. As it is cheap it might be worth picking up in case it does turn out to be SA Irish for anyone interested in this regiment. But I am doubtful it was a "service item" especially as it is documented that this regiment used the London Irish badge when it's own design was in short supply. (The London Irish served extensively in North Africa). An interesting topic for research if ever one has the time. John
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#12
24-01-19, 01:22 AM
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South African Irish Regiment
At last ! A photo that appears to show the RUR type badge being worn by the SAIR. Taken in Cairo in October 1941. Also worn is a piper's badge, front row left. And the crowned harp badge by three others in the group. Including on the helmet, front centre. Photo from the SAIR facebook site.
Last edited by irishhorse; 27-01-19 at 02:21 AM.
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#13
24-01-19, 12:06 PM
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Thank you
It is clearly a Maid of Eireann harp and I have learned something new regarding this regiment. John.
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#14
24-01-19, 12:23 PM
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South African Irish Regiment
Have a few of these badges in my collection. The two on the left have a silver wash. Last on right has a screw post fitting. Not sure if this is for attachment to a helmet. Or a simple replacement for a broken slider ? Not sure what attachments would be required for fitting to a sun helmet ?
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