new army redundancies

[rockape560]

hi all,

found this.the clf talking about the latest army redundacies.,appox 4500 in all

personally i think it a bit of a cheek makeing a soldier,man or woman, redundant then asking/encourging them to join the reserves

philip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzGiblxQTmQ

[jembo]

Originally Posted by rockape560

hi all,

found this.the clf talking about the latest army redundacies.,appox 4500 in all

personally i think it a bit of a cheek makeing a soldier,man or woman, redundant then asking/encourging them to join the reserves

philip

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fzGiblxQTmQ

It's all about soldiering on the cheap,They will be asking for unpaid voluntary service next.

[Deejayuu]

Do you think it would go down well with the public if we created a political reserve? Those MP`s could stop being paid their meagre salaries (so they tell us though the expenses make a small difference) and do the same job unpaid because they think what they are doing is worthwhile and for the good of the general public???

[wardog]

Nice one

[REMEVMBEA1]

I'm as saddened as anyone about the redundancies particularlyas my local regiment , 3 Mercian (Staffords), are getting the chop but ask the question "Where else can a bankrupt government save money" . I'm sure any cut in any service that we get provided will be [I]wrong [I] and no-one wants so pay more tax so I'm pretty sure the powers that be would love a few constructive suggestions as to how we can balance the books without either cuts or extra taxes. I would like to see a comparison of defence cost per soldier now and in the 60s as I'm quite sure that a modern squaddy costs a lot more than I did to pay , feed and equip.

[Old Smelly]

Originally Posted by REMEVMBEA1

I would like to see a comparison of defence cost per soldier now and in the 60s as I'm quite sure that a modern squaddy costs a lot more than I did to pay , feed and equip.

I'm sure the pay would equate, but it's the logistics and supply that costs. All that new expensive kit sourced from a few select overpriced cartel companies, and how much fuel does it cost to run a tank? Oh, I forgot, we're getting rid of the tanks.....and the parachutes.....and the trucks, etc, etc. I've heard that soon Group% will be running all operations with drones from a top secret base in the Midlands, after all, it's always cheaper to get a private company to do something for you that you can easily do yourself isn't it??

Lee

[rockape560]

Originally Posted by Deejayuu

Do you think it would go down well with the public if we created a political reserve? Those MP`s could stop being paid their meagre salaries (so they tell us though the expenses make a small difference) and do the same job unpaid because they think what they are doing is worthwhile and for the good of the general public???

totally agree with above statement but who would command them ?.a few years ago i would have said PADDY ASHDOWN ex lib dem leader and ex sbs member

today personally i dont know of anyone capable but im sure there would some excuses not to go.besides would they trust the weapon systems they want the forces to use

philip

[Charlie585]

[QUOTE=REMEVMBEA1;218270]"Where else can a bankrupt government save money" .

How about the 11.3 billion we are going to squander on the foreign aid budget, never mind looking after our own and having a credible defence capability, let's look after all the other buggers instead, that said, many of them are already here, claiming their hand outs in person!

I expect there will be one or two who'll try to justify the aid budget, save your breath fellas, in my book it's a criminal waste of our country's much needed resources at a time when it is slash and burn in every other department.

Rant over

[LONGSHANKS]

I think some pruning may be in order. Admittedly, it may sometimes fall on the wrong rank's. I wouldn't worry about foreign aid, that's all part of geopolitics. It's not always the size of the army you could send, but the size of your check book. The US needs to learn that lesson, after watch China buy Africa.

In general it may be time to re-structure, and build an army that can handle the new war of the future.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asymmetric_warfare

I imagine this isn't the only rank we have in excess for the size of the armed forces.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...ort-shows.html

IMO, just some comments

Simon.

[Peter Brydon]

As the previous Chancellor said in the note he left for the incoming Chancellor, all the money has been spent. So what can we afford ( other than bankers salaries and bonuses and HS2 )

Any business/ country that does not produce anything is, or will soon become ,bankrupt.

The thing that really worries me is what will our children`s and grandchildren`s inheritance be ?

P.B.

[LONGSHANKS]

Seems you read one of the same articles I read P.B. (see the quote below)

If I was Cameron, that "note" would be seared into every Brits consciousness. The Labour party should be out of office for a generation for the destruction of the economy, and horse whipped out of London for ignoring the fact prior to 2008 -and I come from a Labour voting family. The German's couldn't have done a better job in bringing down the country.

QUOTE:
When Osborne arrived at the offices of the Treasury following the 2010 election, his deputy had been left a note by departing Labour treasury chief secretary Liam Byrne saying: "I'm afraid there's no money left".

Liam Byrne should be in the Tower for such a flippant regard for the nations well being. The same note could probably have been left by the Bush gang here in 2008.

All of you lamenting the end of the army, look to them for spending everything and some; for the immediate future and your children's. And at a time when as P.B. said, we have no solid way of paying it back as nothing is made in home Isles anymore. Same problem over here in the States.

Sorry for the rant, but short memories will only repeat it again. I still stand on my first post, maybe 350 tanks are enough for the types of war's in the future.

http://www.stuff.co.nz/world/europe/...cuts-suggested

Simon

(p.s. all IMHO)

[Charlie585]

I wasn’t going to get into a politically motivated debate and be drawn into a further rant as it isn’t really what we are here for but it’s more interesting than Rugby (sorry Griff) and we seem to have a discussion going, so at the risk of but without wishing to cause offence:

Simon,

Strong words and I can’t disagree with a single one of them!

As to my earlier post, I concede that the aid budget is a drop in the ocean in the overall scale of GDP but still fail to see how we can afford to give away what is in reality 10% of what the country is borrowing per annum, money that as alluded to in the previous posts, we have no way for the foreseeable future of paying back. That said, continuance of the foreign aid policy along with the decimation of our armed forces is a clear vote loser in terms of the traditional Tory turn out and those votes will become ever more precious in the near future.

With regard to ‘That note’, I agree, it should have been plastered on every billboard throughout the land on day one of the present parliament, maybe then those (and there are many) that still believe that the previous Government still have the answers might begin to understand the need for the current and ongoing cuts, I fear though that it is now too late for its impact to achieve full effect. One failure in my opinion is that the Government tried from the start to mimic the popular pretence that it could be all things to all people and look where that has lead us to date.

The last time we were in this predicament we had an iron leader whose sheer strength of character was a key factor in getting the job done and the majority onside. Since then we have had a stitch up job done on the nation by the socialists who are embedded in every area of our national establishment and this together with the fact that we are now governed by what are seen as the overgrown schoolboys that populate the coalition leaves us in what can only be described as a dire situation.

Unfortunately ‘boy George’ did himself no favours today in his delivery of the latest bad news, he may have seen his announcement given in strong and determined tones as a justifiably righteous swipe at the opposition for the bloated public sector that Labour created and lumbered us with but to the average working man who has fought for many a decade to achieve decent pay and conditions in his employment the Chancellor’s words came across to many I’m sure as a knife in the back and his delivery was seen by many as akin to something that might have been heard in Nuremburg some eight decades ago, nothing like breaking the bad news gently George, well done!

The opposition will I believe regain power at the next election having had a breathing space of one parliament, just long enough to make the re-election of the Tories appear for many a term unthinkable given the unpopularity of their current necessary course of action and what will be hyped as its legacy. What Labour will do when they get back into power apart from increasing borrowing in order to spend and where that will eventually lead us is beyond credible comprehension to most I’m afraid, as the average man on the street it seems as well as having a short memory, can see no further than the end of his nose in political terms as long as those that govern him appear to be on his level and are seen to have his immediate interests at heart.

Tie this in with the long overdue and now forecast rise in global interest rates and it does not make for a rosy future for our children and grand children, as Peter points out. The legacy they inherit won’t just be the ever increasing support of an ageing population, add to that the bigger picture of the future of the basket case that is the Euro zone, along with future racial and religious tensions at home and abroad and I believe that we are now living in what will become known as the good old days, heaven help us!

By the way I received a lovely new badge today, I'll save that for another thread.

Regards to all.

Ry

[Peter Brydon]

There is now no need to worry, we have more Shale Gas than was originally thought and George Osborne wants Local Authorities to get £100,000 each time they give planning permission for its extraction.

Crisis over.

P.B.

( £100,000 wouldn't pay for a one child to go through Eton- http://www.ukboardingschools.com/sch...n-college.html )

[Charlie585]

Originally Posted by 8thfoot

( £100,000 wouldn't pay for a one child to go through Eton)

Maybe not but it will top up some chinless wonder's pension pot up nicely so no doubt we can expect to see the rubber stamping of the applications proceed unhindered.

Just don't try to take care of your local war memorial though or they'll have to use the money to try prosecute you!

[davec2]

After all this, I need cheering up, so show us your badge Ry ?????

Dave.