WELSH HORSE 1914-17

[spreadeagle]

Kevin,
Thanks for the info on the titles,it sort of confirms my gut feeling at the time of purchase.
Thankfully they didn't cost much,which isn't much of a consolation I know,but at least I can now use them usefully as reference pieces.
Cheers.
Alan

[PembrokeYeo]

Couple of original examples. Cut down slider and lugged example. Do lugs indicate an Officer's variant?

[GriffMJ]

The looped one is an Officers Gilt cap badge, nice example

[2747andy]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

The looped one is an Officers Gilt cap badge, nice example

Griff,

it's not, it a lugged ORs badge!

ANdy

[41st]

Griff,
Nothing to do with Officer's as Andy has stated.

I have done a lot of searching on this Regiment and I have not come across anything that definitively states that the Officers wore anything different to the ORs.

I have a few photos to back this up.

I have seen only one OSD on blades come up at Bosleys over the years and am not convinced that this was right.

I cannot see that there was a need for a gilt Officer's badge for a unit that was:-
a) Short lived.
b) Technically would have had no need for anything other than service dress.

The late Bryn Owen also looked into this and did not mention a gilt Officer's badge in his findings.

I live in hope that someone somewhere can provide proof to the contrary.

Kevin

[2747andy]

Griff,
not a dig, but just backing up what Kevin has just posted!! WH only existed during the period when OSD would have been the OOD (1914-17) for officers badges, Gilt being for the Forage Cap (full dress uniform)! I would not go as far to say no OSD badges existed, but if they did they whould be like hens teeth!

Andy

[Keith Blakeman]

I'm suprised this one went uncontested. A new maker mark too, something to be wary of or a bargain missed ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2211270656...#ht_500wt_1182

[buckiebeetle]

Originally Posted by Keith Blakeman

Oh well, here it is.

I have one and it looks just like yours, too big for a collar 40mx25mm see pics, -John.

[Rockape]

Originally Posted by Keith Blakeman

I'm suprised this one went uncontested. A new maker mark too, something to be wary of or a bargain missed ?

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2211270656...#ht_500wt_1182

Hi Keith,

I won a badge from him before and got stung at the customs. Other overseas vendors get around the problem by entering no value on the customs form. This guy uses USPS pre-paid labels . I saw this one and was tempted but I didn't want the inland revenue hassle.

Gaz

[LONGSHANKS]

You could have it shipped to me Gaz in future and I could forward it on for you. I've done it for some of the lads on here and state it as a gift, at low value.

I don't mind helping anyone out.

Regards
Simon.

[LONGSHANKS]

Originally Posted by buckiebeetle

I have one and it looks just like yours, too big for a collar 40mx25mm see pics, -John.

Hi John, I have the same. Andy2447 gave it the description i have on the album shot.

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ictureid=46403

Regards

Simon.

[Jack8]

Originally Posted by buckiebeetle

I have one and it looks just like yours, too big for a collar 40mx25mm see pics, -John.

Hi,

I believe that the collar size stated by Bryn Owen was approx. 1.5 inches in height which is 38.1mm which is close to your 40mm. He states that the cap badge is approx. 1.75 inches in height which is 44.5mm making your badge a bit small for a cap badge and nearer to the collar size.

This is just my observation and opinion and welcome other opinions. I too have cap badges to this regiment at around 45mm and another badge at 40mm which I have always thought of as a collar with reference to Owen's approximate measurements.

I am also aware of the smaller badges of around 34mm (which is 1.34 inches) of the same design which are referred to as collars by collectors but these appear to fall a bit short of Bryn Owens approximations.

Opinions please.

Jack.

[BROOKIES]

Picture and measurment of a collar dog and also a picture of their button.[ATTACH]P9290100.jpg[/ATTACH]

[Jack8]

Thanks for posting that pic. Brookies. It looks to be 32mm (1.25 inches) in height which is a quarter of an inch smaller than the collar badge specified in Owen Roscomyl and the Welsh Horse by Bryn Owen.

I am not disputing that these are authentic Welsh Horse collar badges as I also have this type from a good source.

I am questioning the authenticity of the 40mm (1.57 inches) badges of which I have one example and member buckiebeetle has posted pics of his 40mm badge which seem nearer to Bryn Owens figure of approx. 1.5 inches which is 38.1mm.

I wonder if any other members have any of these 40mm examples. They are in my opinion too small for the cap badge which is 45mm (1.77 inches).

Phew!
Jack.

[BROOKIES]

Following on from the earlier threads re OSD on blades attached is a picture of the one in my collection. It was mentioned that Bosleys sold one a while back.

Looking at pictures of that one the blades were east/west on his where as the ones on this are his north/south.

The WH are fretted against the normally filled on the other version and as can be seen this is a cast version (superior quality as would be expected in an OSD badge) and not a pressed version.

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