KRRC QVC good or bad ?

[tonyb]

Hello all,
this morning I dipped my toe into the unknown(to me that is).
Bought this KRRC badge QVC , I like the look of the front and feel of the badge,but am not truely happy with the rear. Cost me a fiver so no big licks if its a dud.
Can anyone give an opinion either way?
Best Regards Tony.

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by tonyb

Hello all,
this morning I dipped my toe into the unknown(to me that is).
Bought this KRRC badge QVC , I like the look of the front and feel of the badge,but am not truely happy with the rear. Cost me a fiver so no big licks if its a dud.
Can anyone give an opinion either way?
Best Regards Tony.

Bad I'm afraid Tony, it should be voided.

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...ictureid=16019

[tonyb]

Keith thanks for reply and link, nice badge you have there.
suppose you could say without a void avoid.
Sorry for worst pun ever
Regards Tony.

[PembrokeYeo]

Are you able to quote the source of your opinion? It would be nice to have a few references other than a photo of a voided example!
PY.

[Tinto]

Hi Tony and Keith,
Here are mine for comparison. I am happy with my non-voided badge as it came from a very old collection but your opinions welcome.
Cheers, Tinto

[tonyb]

Originally Posted by Tinto

Hi Tony and Keith,
Here are mine for comparison. I am happy with my non-voided badge as it came from a very old collection but your opinions welcome.
Cheers, Tinto

Hi Tinto,
read your post with interest, I note that the rear image posted of your non-voided badge has the same die flaws as mine.
Regards Tony.

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by PembrokeYeo

Are you able to quote the source of your opinion? It would be nice to have a few references other than a photo of a voided example!
PY.

Something I was told by a reliable dealer years ago. The unvoided example is regularly seen on a certain auction site, voided ones rarely.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Kings-Royal-Ri...item335dac1489
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KINGS-ROYAL-RI...item3cb1dc0606
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KINGS-ROYAL-RI...item5195cc22c3
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KINGS-ROYAL-RI...item563fffc9dd
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KINGS-ROYAL-RI...item5ad591e2a8
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KINGS-ROYAL-RI...item5884f7c54f
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/British-Cap-ba...item230ac423cd
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/British-Cap-ba...item230b1a3622
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KINGS-LONDON-R...item1c165453be

[PembrokeYeo]

I think it is important to reference all comments.

We all know that genuine dies has got into the wrong hands, but that doesn't mean that badges struct from those same dies originally aren't right.

Quoting on-line auction house examples as reference material is from my point of view light weight.

Give me a reference to a pattern book.

K & K is a reference book it is not there to tell us the difference between a genuine example and a restrike and it doesn't hold details of every different die that was used.

PY.

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by PembrokeYeo

I think it is important to reference all comments.

We all know that genuine dies has got into the wrong hands, but that doesn't mean that badges struct from those same dies originally aren't right.

Quoting on-line auction house examples as reference material is from my point of view light weight.

Give me a reference to a pattern book.

K & K is a reference book it is not there to tell us the difference between a genuine example and a restrike and it doesn't hold details of every different die that was used.

PY.

This badge isn't in KK or any other reference book. It's a Militia glengarry, rare as hell and unlilely to feature in many period photos either. ACD records don't always say whether a badge is voided or not or probably don't exist at all for this non-regulars one. Genereally KRRC badges are voided, all later patterns were with the exception of the dubious ENGLAND stamped KC pattern. If you're happy with a non-voided one fine, but I know what I'd rather have.

[PembrokeYeo]

Nice to see you're starting to put a bit of detail behind your statements. PY.

[Keith Blakeman]

Originally Posted by PembrokeYeo

Nice to see you're starting to put a bit of detail behind your statements. PY.

So I have to back up every judgement with an essay from now on? Forget it, I'll do what some others do and not get involved in opinions and as for using my albums for references (which very few seem to doing going by the amount of "is it original or not threads", they're being available for contacts only.

[ncc]

not everything is in a book,some people know things from experience ,if its non voided its a fake.
Bob

[Tinto]

Hi Tony, and others,
What are the dimensions of your non-voided badge?

My non-voided one is 55mm tall, measuring from a line drawn across the bottom of the badge, to the tip of crown.
My voided one is 52mm tall, measuring the same way.
My non-voided one is distinctively more domed in the centre, rising approx. 6mm compared to the voided one which rises only 2mm.

As I said before, the non-voided badge was in an older collection gathered about the time of the First World War.
Regards,
Tinto

[tonyb]

Originally Posted by Tinto

Hi Tony, and others,
What are the dimensions of your non-voided badge?

My non-voided one is 55mm tall, measuring from a line drawn across the bottom of the badge, to the tip of crown.
My voided one is 52mm tall, measuring the same way.
My non-voided one is distinctively more domed in the centre, rising approx. 6mm compared to the voided one which rises only 2mm.

As I said before, the non-voided badge was in an older collection gathered about the time of the First World War.
Regards,
Tinto

Hello Tinto,
non-voided badge measured using your method is as yours 55mm.
Best regards Tony.

[Tinto]

Hi Tony,
Your non-voided badge and mine do seem to have come from the same die. I'd hang onto it for the time being.
Cheers, Tinto