RC Army Cadets - Looking for...

[RCArmyCadets]

Ok, where shall I begin. I'm looking for anything Royal Canadian Army Cadets, some links below will give you an idea of the holes I'm trying to fill:

metal hat badges and collars-

http://www.armycadethistory.com/hat_badges_collars.htm


cloth shoulder titles

http://www.armycadethistory.com/shoulder_titles.htm


Tunic buttons

http://www.armycadethistory.com/tunic_buttons.htm


The entire accoutrements page (warning, lots of photos)

http://www.armycadethistory.com/accoutrements1.htm


If members don't mind, I'd be delighted to see and use scans of any badges we don't already have. I'm willing to buy/trade as well. All of my cadet items will eventually be donated to the Greater Vernon and Area Museum in Vernon, BC. They already have a significant quantity of items and are planning a new military wing in the years to come.

My goal is to create and maintain an online army cadet history site for anyone involved in the program. Accoutrements is an important part of our history. Along the way I'll be selling/trading non-cadet items I've collected along the way. I'll post those pieces in the months to come. Thank you in advance.

cheers,
Francois

[barriefield-brian]

I have a bag full of metal caps; will look them up today and see if there is anything you need. Did not know there were two versions,will have to take a closer look. Brian

[LLWill]

Greetings and welcome to the forum. It is great to know that there will be another good reference for badges on the new. Your school cadet badge images are a very good reference.

What do you think about the cadet badge in the 1920 index - Cadets - Cadets. The badge is the Lion over the Crown surrounded by maple leafs. I have one of these badges and it is dated 1916

Thanks

Larry

[RCArmyCadets]

Larry,

Dated 1916? Sounds about right. The branch existed as of 1909. There has been discussion as to when the Cadet Services hat badge first appeared, somewhere between 1910 & 1915. Previous to that we do see the "CS" and horn badge used for Cadet Instructors, though I've not yet been given absolute proof that it was Cadet Instructors. Other than Mazeas reference; that said, who does Mazeas reference back too?

That is the main problem with researching Army Cadets, very little thought was given to keeping track of information as it was not near as important as any other aspect of the military. I've been at this now for while and I learn new information every week. I'm aware that many Cadet Services officers wore the school corps, or affiliated regimental hat badge, in some cases they wore their previous unit badge, CEF or other militia unit. It was common practise right up until the early 1980s for CIL (Cadet Instructors List) officers to wear the affiliated hat badge much to the chagrin of Ottawa, so much so that it was printed in routine order that CIL Officers shall not wear affiliated unit badges but CIL badges. I have examples of that paperwork between 1965 and 1981.

It can be challenging, but the info is out there. I look forward to hearing from other members.

cheers,
Francois

[Bill A]

Hi Francois, To answer your question about the Mazeas references, his books are based on general orders. However, even the GO's and RO's were not followed, or were after the fact, or were erroneous.

[LLWill]

I don't think the Cadets are any different than any other Military organization for the lack of records as to how or what or why a badge was used. Keep digging, you'll only go crazy a little bit!!!!

Larry

[boots and saddles]

Speakinf of Cadets , here's something. http://cgi.ebay.ca/Canadian-Button-C...item45f181f09c

[servicepub]

Originally Posted by RCArmyCadets

Larry,

.... Previous to that we do see the "CS" and horn badge used for Cadet Instructors, though I've not yet been given absolute proof that it was Cadet Instructors. Francois

I was under the impression that this was a badge to the Civil Service Rifles?

Clive

[shootemup]

In some photographs that I have seen it appears that officers may have worn the general service insignia.

[shootemup]

To resurrect this thread again, I'd like to point out a very unique piece from Neil Martin's collection on Francois' website: http://armycadethistory.com/CIC/CIC_Uniforms_Badges.htm
It is a Corps of School Cadet Instructors (Militia) capbadge.

I would be inclined to agree that the C.S. bugle/horn badge was not a Cadet Services badge, as the CSofC was not official formed until 1924 and used the KC and Lion with Cadets.Canada scroll. The stumper is the PW Ellis Co Cadets.Canada marked badges bearing the date of 1916...? Perhaps this Cadets.Canada badge was also used as the generic issue cap badge for cadet corps lacking a specific badge or affiliated unit, and then adopted for CSofC officers in 1924 as well?
To support this thought, another picture from the website: http://armycadethistory.com/Mystery%...hotos_pg10.htm (Mystery photo #275) shows young men with rank stripes on their shoulders and the KC CSofC capbadge. Considering the age of the "colonel" in the front row, and the use of stripes instead of pips/crowns, I'd say they are cadet officers, not commissioned CSofC officers.

[buckiebeetle]

HI, Any of these any use to you cheers, John.

[shootemup]

Nice example of the cadet battledress...back when they had cadet officers.

The CCF and ACF patches are from the UK; I'm interested in the Canadian stuff.

[sarge5020]

Here is an interesting cadet jacket. It's from 1112 Royal Canadian Army Cadet Corps at W.D. Lowe Technical School. I don't know the history behind the jacket yet but it use is shown in the photo from the Windsor Star which is also shown here.

[shootemup]

Very interesting. Was the corps a "closed" corps, that is, all members were students at the school? Many of the closed corps had their own uniforms. At first glance one would say it is DEU, but the newspaper photo quickly determines that it predated DEU (and the RCAC green uniform) by at least 30 years.

[sarge5020]

As luck would have it, I bumped into a fellow who was on parade when the photo was taken. He remembered sweating his you know what off in battle dress while the leadership had these new cooler uniforms.