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I would say it’s far better than 99% of the cast Indian badges I’ve ever seen. Given it’s marked and neither said mark nor the badge are known fakes it’s surely more logical to say you would want some evidence it’s NOT made by Lambourne... ??? Lambourne are infamous for their lack of finesse in badge designs. The quality too is also synonymous with them. |
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I certainly agree that many badges made during the war, including some by Woodward, are not very well made; I am referring to the standard OR issue die struck badges however. If the blade on that badge did not have that admittedly original appearing mark, I suspect the badge would have been summarily poopooed. I am not aware that Lambourne made any cast OSD badges. If I am mistaken, please correct me. A makers mark does not guarantee authenticity, as we are all aware. CB
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Regards the RE badge, just because something may be summarily pooh-poohed that does not make the pooh-poohing justified or the pooh-poohers correct. I would suggest looking at those threads I linked and the OSD badges within. If you also look at ‘The BIG Fat Lambourne Thread’ where you will see an Other Ranks RE badge noted as made by Lambournes. Nozzer and TWGB were the main contributors to the list which is based on good badges held in their collections. I would draw your attention to this badge, wonky cypher n’all, and suggest studying it in detail compared to the badge in the OP. Without a War & Peace post on the badge and its mark’s physical characteristics v’s known fakes and copies inclusive of comparisons on the various manufacturing techniques that can be used for a period piece v’s later reproduction methods the abridged conclusion are either... 1. The fakers have made a new fake mark matching the period Lambourne stamp (found impressed in the reverse of other Lambourne badges) and applied it to tangs rather than the badge itself. They have also faithfully sought out scarce badges from Lambourne dies to produce these copies from and in this case modified the reverse of the die they’ve produced to give it the die cast OSD look. Finally they have skilfully aged every badge I’ve seen showing no detectable traces of the usual chemical agents used. Or 2. It’s genuine. The plausibility of scenario 1 when coupled with the extremely low numbers these badges are encountered to me seems far fetched. But ultimately we all have to make our own judgements based on experience and observations. One thing I’ve learned on the forum is never ignore a pooh-pooh. |
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There are things in both the op and Lukes that make it clear to me anyway that both although not identical can only have come from the same die or one made from it.
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Well indeed it is made "from" the die as it is cast, but I do concede that it is original due to the weight of the consensus. I must say that it has shaken my trust in British quality however
Stephen Fry was not the only one to employ a good Poohpooh, as a certain sage of the English language may have employed it in reference to a word which I have just been just been made cognizant of regarding this particular badge; "Fugly". CB
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No argument - it's definitely a 16 pinter job.
On a Friday afternoon, too. |
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Hi All,
Well I've certainly stirred up a good debate. On closer examination of the marked tang it is actually fixed in the correct position, the first 5mm of it are squashed flat against the back of the badge and have been soldered down to strengthen the tang, so the end of the tang is actually correctly positioned. I am more than happy it is genuine, no body would go to such extreme lengths to fake this badge. On looking again today in daylight the badge is reasonably good, the crown is well detailed, its just the GVR cypher which is poor quality and finish, but it is more elaborate than a standard GVR cypher on a RE badge. John |
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It might, although, they would have to be original, quite frankly, I very much doubt if the thought actually occurred to rank and file, in particular in wartime, I can only speak for myself, in peacetime and confirm the thought never entered my mind, in fact, I should imagine I would have been more concerned by the badge test itself.
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The cypher is certainly very poor indeed, I have to say it is the worst that I have ever seen on an RE officers SD cap badge, I really cannot understand why you would think it is "more" elaborate than a standard GvR cypher on an RE badge.
When compared with a good early example, it fails to come anywhere remotely near. Quote:
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Absolutely not the case at all, they are not sliders, they are blades that have been stamped before the badge was subsequently finished off.
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To be quite honest, I was circumspect in my original post in this thread, but, I do stand by it, if the op wants a good RE OSD cap badge, simply replace it, on the other hand, he wants an oddity, he need look no further.
I don't like any of these badges and all the rest with named blades, the awful"JG" and so on. I do agree, you can certainly get far better Indian made badges and of course, on occasion, rather worse examples too. |
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