Royal Dublin Fusiliers Possible Pagri badge

[Chay_Fezzar]

I got this from the car boot sale this morning. It looks good, but I've never seen a busby grenade with a slider. Wonder what the Forum members think.

[Alan O]

I too think it was designed for the Foreign Service Helmet as with the slidered HPCs. Approved and made but not widely worn - if worn at all

[grey_green_acorn]

With slider perhaps intended to be fitted to this device sewn into the headdress or Pagri, making the badge easily removable for cleaning?

Tim

[leigh kitchen]

Post no. 23 in this thread refers to the slidered RMF badge:

https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...t=pagri&page=2

[Chay_Fezzar]

Thank you to everyone who contributed.

[John Mulcahy]

The responders above are quite correct. Here is a short sumamry of the badge in question.

In Jan 1903 a program was approved by the War Office that the same badge would be worn by regiments on the Foreign Service Helmet and the Terai Hat worn on service dress (also known as the Slouch Hat). These badges were to be fitted with a slider.

For cavalry regiments the Field Service Cap badge was to be used, infantry regiments were to use their helmet plate centers, and, where a regiment did not wear the home service helmet, such as Fusilier regiments, the Glengarry, or the existing full dress badge was to be worn.

For the Fusilier regiments the decision was made to take the old, obsoleted Glengarry grenade badges back into use but were now fitted with a slider to fit in the pagri of the FSH and in the socket attached to the Terai hat. So what you show is not the full dress fusilier cap grenade but the undress glengarry cap grenade with evidence of the slider fitted as per the 1903 instructions.

Photographic evidence seems to show that the majority of fusilier battalions did not wear these grenade badges in the FSH and Terai before that was obsoleted on Jan 5, 1904. The home based militia Bns seemed to have used them (in the Slouch hat) more so than the Bns on Foreign Service from what I can see.

The RDF glengarry grenade with slider was pattern number 5870 sealed May 18, 1903 Recorded (WO359 vol.11 page 230 and also vol. 12 page 179).

John

[Chay_Fezzar]

John, Very many thanks for this helpful and useful information. Just for the record I have copied it and put in my cap badge notes. Thank you again. Kind regards, Chay.