British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

Recent Books by Forum Members

   

Go Back   British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum > South African Military and Police Insignia > Army

 Other Pages: Galleries, Links etc.
Glossary  Books by Forum Members     Canadian Pre 1914    CEF    CEF Badge Inscriptions   Canadian post 1920     Canadian post 1953     British Cavalry Badges     Makers' Marks    Pipers' Badges  Canadian Cloth Titles  Books  SEARCH
 
Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #16  
Old 16-02-14, 11:34 AM
Frank Kelley's Avatar
Frank Kelley Frank Kelley is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 7,562
Default

Hello Iain,
No, I have not seen that thread, but, I will take a look at it today, again, this falls out of my collecting of South African, but, is very nice.
They did well in GWSA too and raised the second Kimberley Regt for that campaign.
I hope you have a good time in the "Colony" of Natal, as I still call it, be careful though!
Regards Frank

Quote:
Originally Posted by iaindh View Post
Hi Frank,

yes they had an interesting history and background, the siege of course helped.

Did you ever see Brian Conyngham's post on the joint ILH/KR shoulder title award?
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...t=battle+award

This is my own one with 2 types of collars, brass and bi metal.

Attachment 100320

regards, Iain
Reply With Quote
  #17  
Old 16-02-14, 12:07 PM
Frank Kelley's Avatar
Frank Kelley Frank Kelley is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 7,562
Default

Okay, I've read Brian's thread, I think perhaps I should buy one of these!

Quote:
Originally Posted by iaindh View Post
Hi Frank,

yes they had an interesting history and background, the siege of course helped.

Did you ever see Brian Conyngham's post on the joint ILH/KR shoulder title award?
http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/for...t=battle+award

This is my own one with 2 types of collars, brass and bi metal.

Attachment 100320

regards, Iain
Reply With Quote
  #18  
Old 16-02-14, 03:06 PM
iaindh's Avatar
iaindh iaindh is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
Posts: 1,222
Default

Hi Frank,

I'm not sure if you are aware, but because of the esprit de corps of the SA units, they were used as shock troops in Italy in WWII, spearheading the allied advance.
The Imperial Light Horse / Kimberley Regt would have been the first into Rome but they were attached to US 5th Army who told them to hold back and claimed the honour for themselves!

Dont worry, I will take care in KZN, some things dont change; you have to treat the Zulus with respect

regards, Iain
__________________
C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre
Reply With Quote
  #19  
Old 16-02-14, 03:20 PM
Frank Kelley's Avatar
Frank Kelley Frank Kelley is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 7,562
Default

Hello Iain,
Yes, the SA 6th Armoured Division did well, in particular, in the Po valley, a very hard campaign, I'll have to get one of those ILH/KR's though, but, I still pefer their earlier service in GWSA.
I'm sure you will be fine when you head south, don't forget your .450 Martini.
Regards Frank
Reply With Quote
  #20  
Old 16-02-14, 03:33 PM
Frank Kelley's Avatar
Frank Kelley Frank Kelley is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 7,562
Default

Gentlemen,
This is the original officers cap badge worn on their caps and in GWSA, also on their helmets, for which a stout pin was used, they were made for and retailed by messrs Hobson in London.
The finish was a very fine murcurial fire gilt on copper, which is a rather Georgian way of doing things, what you would expect to see on a gorget plate from a hundred years before.
Attached Images
File Type: jpg P1020380.jpg (55.4 KB, 26 views)
File Type: jpg P1020381.jpg (60.2 KB, 25 views)
Reply With Quote
  #21  
Old 17-02-14, 02:24 AM
iaindh's Avatar
iaindh iaindh is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
Posts: 1,222
Default

Hi Frank,

but of course, never go to KZN without it!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Kelley View Post
Hello Iain,
I'm sure you will be fine when you head south, don't forget your .450 Martini.
Regards Frank
Your Officer's badge is very nice Frank; is it in 2 parts? The pin seems to be holding the front to the back?
If I remember correctly, Alex Rice bought one similar to this but without the Hobson plate.

regards, Iain
__________________
C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre
Reply With Quote
  #22  
Old 17-02-14, 07:44 AM
Frank Kelley's Avatar
Frank Kelley Frank Kelley is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 7,562
Default

Hi Iain,
From memory they were in three parts.
Frank
Reply With Quote
  #23  
Old 18-02-14, 02:30 PM
Madziro Madziro is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Basingstoke UK
Posts: 529
Default

Hullo Ian

The KR officers badge is a two piece badge and is chrome. Its manufacture is virtually the same as Frank's officer badge but without a makers name on the reverse. It is fastened to the beret by a horizontal brooch pin. The two pieces are held together by a vertical brass pin through two lugs. This beret was given to me by a friend who was a drummer in the KR pipe band and later took a commission with them. He eventually joined the permanent force SA Navy as a loggie retiring as a Navy Captain and currently works for the British and Commonwealth War Graves Commission!
Reply With Quote
  #24  
Old 19-02-14, 01:19 PM
iaindh's Avatar
iaindh iaindh is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
Posts: 1,222
Default

Hi Dudley,

thanks for the detailed explanation of your Officer's badge. A nice story behind it!
As a matter of interest is your friend based in SA with the Commonwealth War Graves Commission?

regards, Iain
__________________
C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre
Reply With Quote
  #25  
Old 19-02-14, 02:32 PM
Frank Kelley's Avatar
Frank Kelley Frank Kelley is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 7,562
Default

Gentlemen,
This was worn by their second regiment for the campaign in German South West Africa 1914-15
Attached Images
File Type: jpg P1020378.jpg (57.2 KB, 4 views)
Reply With Quote
  #26  
Old 19-02-14, 03:45 PM
Madziro Madziro is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: Basingstoke UK
Posts: 529
Default

Hullo Ian

Yes he is in SA.

Kind regards

Dudley
Reply With Quote
  #27  
Old 20-02-14, 02:14 AM
Alex Rice Alex Rice is online now
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 4,750
Default

Hi All
Just catching up, I haven't ben online for a while. A question about the chrome 'officers' badge? I have been told by a good authority that the chrome badges were worn by members of the pipe band. I always thought the officers badge was the fire-gilt badge. It makes sense that your friend who was commissioned had a chromed badge if he'd been in the band and may just have continued to wear it because I have heard the genuine officers badges were in short supply?
I still think the KR badges are amongst the nicest design of SA badges.
Cheers,
Alex
Attached Images
File Type: jpg Bandsmans badge.jpg (85.2 KB, 10 views)
File Type: jpg Officers badge.jpg (98.5 KB, 10 views)
File Type: jpg Officers collar.jpg (88.6 KB, 10 views)
Reply With Quote
  #28  
Old 20-02-14, 02:53 AM
iaindh's Avatar
iaindh iaindh is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
Posts: 1,222
Default

Hi Frank,

another scarce badge and another on that long list, thanks for sharing!

regards, Iain

Quote:
Originally Posted by Frank Kelley View Post
Gentlemen,
This was worn by their second regiment for the campaign in German South West Africa 1914-15
__________________
C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre
Reply With Quote
  #29  
Old 20-02-14, 03:10 AM
iaindh's Avatar
iaindh iaindh is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2011
Location: Johannesburg, South Africa
Posts: 1,222
Default

Hi Alex,

nice badges, is that the silver & enamel Officer's collar?

Interesting point about the chrome Officer's badge.
Are the bandsmen's badges different to the Piper's badges?

regards, Iain

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Rice View Post
Hi All
Just catching up, I haven't ben online for a while. A question about the chrome 'officers' badge? I have been told by a good authority that the chrome badges were worn by members of the pipe band. I always thought the officers badge was the fire-gilt badge. It makes sense that your friend who was commissioned had a chromed badge if he'd been in the band and may just have continued to wear it because I have heard the genuine officers badges were in short supply?
I still think the KR badges are amongst the nicest design of SA badges.
Cheers,
Alex
__________________
C'est magnifique, mais ce n'est pas la guerre

Last edited by iaindh; 20-02-14 at 03:57 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #30  
Old 20-02-14, 08:34 AM
Frank Kelley's Avatar
Frank Kelley Frank Kelley is offline
Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Posts: 7,562
Default

Hello Alex,
I too, was under the impression that all officers of this regiment wore a gilt badge, but, I don't collect South African beyond 1918 so I know very little about what was being worn after the Great War, their original officers badges were actually murcurial gilt, which did not continue for obvious reasons!
It is nice to see that the basic design of their badge had not really changed much over the years.
Kind regards Frank

Quote:
Originally Posted by Alex Rice View Post
Hi All
Just catching up, I haven't ben online for a while. A question about the chrome 'officers' badge? I have been told by a good authority that the chrome badges were worn by members of the pipe band. I always thought the officers badge was the fire-gilt badge. It makes sense that your friend who was commissioned had a chromed badge if he'd been in the band and may just have continued to wear it because I have heard the genuine officers badges were in short supply?
I still think the KR badges are amongst the nicest design of SA badges.
Cheers,
Alex
Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

mhs link

All times are GMT. The time now is 01:25 PM.


Powered by: vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.