East Lancashire collars with inverted rose

[Tinto]

Hi Forum members,
Comments welcome on these badges. Churchill has a similar one illustrated Fig.855.Were they worn by Warrant Officers?
Thanks, John

[Tinto]

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[Tinto]

Hi all,
I have received a reply from the Curator of the Lancashire Infantry Museum:

An answer for you from one of my colleagues who is an expert on the East Lancashire Regiment (Dave Ingham)

"The collar badges are cast copies commissioned by WW1 re-enactors.
I have seen cast versions of a better quality that were commissioned by the regiment in India to cover for shortages. I have a pair and a cap badge possibly circa 1916 when the 6th battalion had their HQ in India. These look more modern.
I have seen versions with two leaves of the rose at the base and one at the base but not sure of the significance. The other thing is OR's had just the rose and in brass. Officers had the rose and the scroll but always in bronze. Volunteer battalions and early territorials in 'white metal' for OR's and silver for officers."

John

[leigh kitchen]

The roses inverted in quite a few regiments insignia, I think around the early 1950's?
I can't remember details, but I've theorised on this in a thread on the forum before.
Perhaps a return to an earlier representation of the rose?
The Royal Fusiliers cap badge, for example, the roses differed when the St Edwards crown version was introduced, The Loyal's rose changed at some point, there's that version of what looks like the Int. Corps button with inverted rose.

[Frank Kelley]

Looking at the photographs in the original post, I would agree with your correspondent, they appear very crude indeed.

Originally Posted by Tinto

Hi all,
I have received a reply from the Curator of the Lancashire Infantry Museum:

An answer for you from one of my colleagues who is an expert on the East Lancashire Regiment (Dave Ingham)

"The collar badges are cast copies commissioned by WW1 re-enactors.
I have seen cast versions of a better quality that were commissioned by the regiment in India to cover for shortages. I have a pair and a cap badge possibly circa 1916 when the 6th battalion had their HQ in India. These look more modern.
I have seen versions with two leaves of the rose at the base and one at the base but not sure of the significance. The other thing is OR's had just the rose and in brass. Officers had the rose and the scroll but always in bronze. Volunteer battalions and early territorials in 'white metal' for OR's and silver for officers."

John