RMA collar and cap badge

[Ray6930]

As Irv will testify, there’s been some debate on here about the orientation of the lugs denoting the difference between RMA cap and collar badges. No matter which side of the fence you sit on it seems a given that the cap and collar badges were the same size and design.
Far be it from me to put a spanner in the works but I have come across a picture that might suggest otherwise.
I am not reproducing the picture in total, only parts of it, because I cannot ascertain any copyright restrictions.
It is in an article on the Broderick cap:
https://www.historynet.com/british-m...y-cap-suicide/
As you can see from the pictures below, there’s an NCO from RMLI and inspecting officer either RMLI or RMA and ranks of what seems to be RMA. The article states it was taken in WW1.
From the other 2 sections I have reproduced you can see that the cap badge appears as we know it - grenade flames and body of the same width BUT the collars look decidedly different to the cap badge. The flames seem wider and possibly flatter than as with the cap badge - looking to my untrained eye to be similar to the shape of the grenade in Grenadiers badges.
Thoughts and opinions sought and appreciated.
Yours Aye
Ray

[CAM]

Perspective and shadow?

Chris

[Ray6930]

I don’t think so. The picture of the 3 collars in view have slightly different abeles etc and all seem to have that different shape

[Irv]

Hi Ray,

Love to help but my post with all the evidence and photos got deleted????


Regards
Irv

[mike_vee]

Originally Posted by Irv

Hi Ray,

Love to help but my post with all the evidence and photos got deleted????


Regards
Irv

Your photo of collar and cap badge from 2016 thread :


https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...ines+artillery

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[1664]

Ray,
All RM badges for this period are in the clothing cost lists, there is NO separate entry for an RMA collar badge.
Yours
John

[1664]

There really isn’t any debate here.

[Irv]

Thanks for that.

Why didn't you post that in the original thread?
That makes everything clearer.

My only question is that I have two RMA Brodrick caps that don't have this lover hole to take the bottom post???

This is the evidence that i wanted in the first place.
Cheers
Irv

[1664]

[QUOTE=Irv;581085]Thanks for that.

‘Why didn't you post that in the original thread?”
I told you were to find the reference!

“My only question is that I have two RMA Brodrick caps that don't have this lover hole to take the bottom post???”

A number of reasons, they were unissued, they are copies or they are something else.

Yours
John

[1664]

As an aside, the opening picture for the article isn’t actually a Brodrick cap, it’s a WW2 period MARENS cap.

[Irv]

Hi John,
Both originals, both names to researched Marines. No holes?
Can you post your original RMA caps with the holes in for comparison.
Cheers
Irv




[QUOTE=1664;581087]

Originally Posted by Irv

Thanks for that.

‘Why didn't you post that in the original thread?”
I told you were to find the reference!

“My only question is that I have two RMA Brodrick caps that don't have this lover hole to take the bottom post???”

A number of reasons, they were unissued, they are copies or they are something else.

Yours
John

[Irv]

John,
Or maybe a few photos of the RMA caps you have come across with this feature would be fine. The one at the RM Museum must have had this bottom hole, although I noted from the picture of it that the bottom half of the badge doesn't come below the red piping?
Or if any other RM collector/resercher has come across this hole could they post a picture.

Regards
Irv

Originally Posted by 1664

As an aside, the opening picture for the article isn’t actually a Brodrick cap, it’s a WW2 period MARENS cap.

[Irv]

1 RMA cap

[Irv]

2 RMA cap

[Alan O]

Originally Posted by 1664

There really isn’t any debate here.

Thank you for this definitive evidence. Most appreciated.

Alan