Need help - is WW1 uniform with 12th NZ insignia correct

[Jeffweil]

Sorry for duplication - didn't realize there is separate NZ section.
Need help determining if this is correct WW1 insignia for NZ 12th Nelsons Infantry.
Tunic has correct cuff rank. Question is about the New Zealand bullion shoulder tabs and the collar insignia.
Thanks

[atillathenunns]

The New Zealand shoulder titles are incorrect for WW1 period.
The cuff rank is incorrect for a Lieutenant, it should be 3 stars for a captains rank.
The collar badges could be officers type, but the WW1 NZ officers did also wear ORs issue badges, a picture of the back of the badge will tell more.

I gather there is no back patch?
Is it named on the inside pocket?

[Jeffweil]

Thanks so much!!
You were correct about rank. 1 star is missing from each cuff - top on 1 side, bottom on the other
No name, but there was a yellow patch inside breast pocket.
Buttons are j r Guant London
Back of collar insignia is shown
Thanks so much

[Jeffweil]

Pics
Yellow patch from pocket
Slip on New Zealand on shoulder straps
Back of collar insignia

[NZEF]

Hi, the slip on New Zealand titles which are late WW2 Italian campaign, J-Force or K-Force period, are not original to tunic. For the 12th Nelson Regiment, would have had NZR (New Zealand Rifles) curved brass shoulder titles. Are there two holes under the NZ titles at base of shoulder straps?

[Jeffweil]

Thanks so much. Yes, there are holes for metal shoulder tabs.
Any idea if the yellow patch is NZ?
Thanks

[NZEF]

It does appear to be the patch of the 3rd Wellington Battalion, however, the centre stripe is typically wider. 12th Nelson was part of the Canterbury Battalion.

[atillathenunns]

The collar badge is ORs issue, and is quite acceptable for a WW1 NZ officer to wear.

The yellow patch does not match any of the NZ WW1 patches or WW2 patches that I have seen.

The 3rd Battalion Wellington Regiment patch mentioned by NZEF is very rare, and on page 21 of the NZ patch bible, is described as - "being known to exist but these may have been produced in the 1920s as museum samples."

Is there any evidence of a patch having been sewn on the back below the collar, or below the shoulder straps?

[Jeffweil]

Thanks for all the information.

[pukman]

Originally Posted by Jeffweil

Sorry for duplication - didn't realize there is separate NZ section.
Need help determining if this is correct WW1 insignia for NZ 12th Nelsons Infantry.
Tunic has correct cuff rank. Question is about the New Zealand bullion shoulder tabs and the collar insignia.
Thanks

Hi Jeffwell .

They say a picture(or pictures in this case) paints a thousand words . Here is a W.W.1 officers cuff rank jacket in my collection (circa 1918/early 1919) . It is badged for the 4th Otago company ,2nd Otago battalion , but will give you an idea of badge/patch placements . The WW2 'New Zealand ' patch is a slip on, so it might slip off ? (unless it is stitched) Cloth pips/stars should be easy enough to find , but the Canterbury back patch not so.If the back patch patch hasn't been there then there is no need to add it .

Cheers Iain

[Jeffweil]

Thanks Lain. This is very helpful. I have purchased a pair of NZR titles. The cloth ones just slipped off.
Very interesting in rear patch. Yes. Mine has no holes or patch ghost in the center- just on the side

Again, thanks for the information.