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Old 23-04-11, 01:41 PM
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Requesting some assistance from the Army collectors among the membership.

I am a Navy type as such I am not that conversant with Army ranks. I can 'get around' Ok but I am not really knowledgable. thus my request...

Recently I acquired a medal with the rank in the header on it. Now I know what the rank is, & what the recipient did (he was A.P.C. - 1890's era)
but what I dont know is what kind of insignia a S.Q.M. Sergt would have worn.

Could someone illustrate the insignia & better still, show the actual badge(s) he might have worn so I know what I am looking for?
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Bryan

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Old 23-04-11, 02:19 PM
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Bryan,

Pre-1915, I believe your man would have worn Sgt. chevrons below a crown (on upper arm). I have some reference material somewhere... I'll look it out and post shortly.

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Old 23-04-11, 02:49 PM
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Pre-1915, I believe your man would have worn Sgt. chevrons below a crown (on upper arm). I have some reference material somewhere... I'll look it out and post shortly.

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That is an interesting reply. Can we equate a Staff Sergeant Major with an Orderly Room Quarter Master Serjeant in the Infantry Battalion of the HAC, where, unless I have got this one wrong, his substansive rank was Colour Serjeant and ORQMS was an appointment, much the same as a Colour Serjeant in that battalion might hold an appointment of CQMS, but would wear three stipes, a grenade, crossed swords, and a crown.

The ORQMS I have in mind wore cloth badges on his cuff: Imperial Crown surrounded by a laurel wreath, over crossed swords, over a grenade.

Perhaps it was a Guards thing ?
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Old 23-04-11, 02:53 PM
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Here we go, gents... apologies for the delay:

NCOs 1.jpg NCOs 2.jpg NCOs 3.jpg

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Old 23-04-11, 03:14 PM
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...And just to muddy the waters further, this circa 1883:

Rank Chart circa 1883.jpg

QM.jpg

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[Edit - Just to add to this, from what I have just read, 'Quartermaster Sergeant' came into being in 1856, but from the time of the 1881 reforms up until the Great War, most badges of rank remained unchanged. Happy to be corrected on this, of course].

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Old 23-04-11, 03:23 PM
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Thanks Peter & John, & thanks for posting!
This is very interesting, but think I am more confused with the info & pictures supplied,

I have a pre WWI small book of Insignia I have had for yrs & yrs, but I dont know which one of these insignia would he have worn.

He had made Colour Sergt in 1885 & Qr Mr Sergt in 1888, then Staff Qr Mr Serg't in '93.

So John, are you saying Staff Qr Mr Serg't is an appointment??

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