Found a Button which says "Constabulary " on the Front and E Jones on the Back

[JJ2]

Found a button this morning which says " Constabulary " on the front and E Jones Cork Hill Dublin on the back , does anyone have any info on it

[Bill A]

Hi JJ2, welcome to the Forum. Your account is active and open for posts.
An image of the button would be helpful.

[JJ2]

Originally Posted by Bill A

Hi JJ2, welcome to the Forum. Your account is active and open for posts.
An image of the button would be helpful.

Will post an image later only found the button 3 hours ago and i am not at home at the moment

[Cribyn]

Hello JJ2

From your description it might just be a civilian police button in which case try putting your query in the "Civilian Services: Police, Prison Service, Fire Brigade, Merchant Navy, etc" category on this forum. Some police collectors may not read threads on military buttons.

Roger

[JJ2]

Image of button found

[JJ2]

Image of makers name on the back of the button

[davidwyke]

Originally Posted by Cribyn

Hello JJ2
Some police collectors may not read threads on military buttons.

Roger

Hi Roger

This one does!

JJ2 - Did you find it in Ireland? It looks very much like the first pattern Constabulary Of Ireland button. If so, it would have had a crown in the centre - maybe worn/corroded away now?

If you found it in GB then possibly an early generic pattern police button but the backmark would still suggest C of I.

David

PS..... does it appear to be brass? The first pattern C of I buttons were brass.

[JJ2]

Originally Posted by davidwyke

Hi Roger

This one does!

JJ2 - Did you find it in Ireland? It looks very much like the first pattern Constabulary Of Ireland button. If so, it would have had a crown in the centre - maybe worn/corroded away now?

If you found it in GB then probably an early generic pattern police button.

David

The button was found in county Laois Ireland . When you say "Constabulary of Ireland " do you mean the RIC or an earlier police force

[Cribyn]

Hello David

Nice to hear from you again.

The found button does indeed look like the early Irish Constabulary pattern illustrated in Howard Ripley's 'Police Buttons; Volume 2" - illustration 62, described as brass, open backed.

I think you are right, there is/was a crown in the centre, now heavily corroded. The button in the photo seems to be to one side and perhaps its my imagination but when viewed the right way up I can just see the outline of a crown.

Roger

[davidwyke]

Originally Posted by JJ2

The button was found in county Laois Ireland . When you say "Constabulary of Ireland " do you mean the RIC or an earlier police force

Earlier than the RIC.

Constabulary of Ireland (also known as the Irish Constabulary) was formed mid 1830's and became RIC c. 1867. (I'm guessing at the dates there).

The button you have was, I think, worn from the formation of the force.

David

[JJ2]

I've been doing some reading and apparently each county had its own individual County Constabulary between 1822 and 1834 , these County Constabularies were controlled by the local magistrates who had the power to hirer and firer the Constables with very little control by Dublin Castle . I wonder did each county have different uniforms and button designs

[JJ2]

Been doing more research and apparently the County Constables wore a mix of military style uniforms until 1828 when standard uniform was adopted for All County Constables in Ireland . I understand from earlier post on this forum that Edward Jones was a military button maker at cork hill Dublin from 1815 to 1832. Any new info would greatly appreciated

[davidwyke]

Originally Posted by JJ2

Been doing more research and apparently the County Constables wore a mix of military style uniforms until 1828 when standard uniform was adopted for All County Constables in Ireland . I understand from earlier post on this forum that Edward Jones was a military button maker at cork hill Dublin from 1815 to 1832. Any new info would greatly appreciated

Nothing more than a guess but when the Constabulary Of Ireland was formed mid 1830's, they may well have just continued wearing the same buttons as worn on the post 1828 standard uniforms by the County Constables. It's also possible the same buttons may have been worn pre 1828, really don't know to be honest.

David

[JJ2]

Originally Posted by davidwyke

Nothing more than a guess but when the Constabulary Of Ireland was formed mid 1830's, they may well have just continued wearing the same buttons as worn on the post 1828 standard uniforms by the County Constables. It's also possible the same buttons may have been worn pre 1828, really don't know to be honest.

David

David these two Irish Constabulary Buttons 1850's - 1860's found on farmland in Carlow and Laois are the closest match to mine online , but when you look at the images of the back of these two buttons the rim of these buttons seems much much thicker than my button

[altcar73]

See attached photo of headdress badge and buttons for the Constabulary of Ireland.

Dave.