Silver/Silver plated Britannia Norfolk collars

[norfolk regt man]

I am having some trouble working out if the Silver plated/hallmarked Britannia badges I have are beret or collars.
I am hoping the different lugs fitted could be the key, as they all face left.

has any one got a PAIR of 8 leaf silver plated/ hallmarked collars, if so could they post a photo of the back, so as I can see those lugs.

Thanks Andrew

[GriffMJ]

Andrew

Are they "D" shaped and short?

[Nozzer]

Andrew

The collars are 27mm approx. from the top of the head to the base with N/S lugs.

The cap/beret is 31mm approx. from the top of her head to the base with E/W lugs.

Andy

[Nozzer]

Here you go.

I have another unmarked pair as well.

Andy

[norfolk regt man]

hi andy,

great news , if there is no collar badge 31mm tall, these must all be silver hallmarked or plated cap badges.All have been photo next to a 27mm collar.
Which makes a lot of sense as I only have this hand.

but in churchills book page 55 we have the following; 1949 silver plate brit in pairs ( badge number 293) and later in 1956 a smaller type ( badge number 294).

So guess what I what to know is has anyone got a pair of collars, with 8 leaves, 31mm tall.

[norfolk regt man]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Andrew

Are they "D" shaped and short?

Hi Griff, one is . have posted some photos.

[Nozzer]

Originally Posted by norfolk regt man

hi andy,

great news , if there is no collar badge 31mm tall, these must all be silver hallmarked or plated cap badges.All have been photo next to a 27mm collar.
Which makes a lot of sense as I only have this hand.

but in churchills book page 55 we have the following; 1949 silver plate brit in pairs ( badge number 293) and later in 1956 a smaller type ( badge number 294).

So guess what I what to know is has anyone got a pair of collars, with 8 leaves, 31mm tall.

Andrew,

293 in Churchill's book is right facing, so it is a collar badge. Unfortunately I haven't got any S/P collars that size.

I can't get to my collars at present, but they are shorter than the S/P cap badge lugs which are 12mm (approx.) long.

Andy

[GriffMJ]

Andrew

Nozzer has pointed out that its the size of the badge that determines what type it is.

The JRG&S hallmarked looks like a collar to me.... with those short fat loops.... whats the date of the HM?

[Nozzer]

Originally Posted by norfolk regt man

So guess what I what to know is has anyone got a pair of collars, with 8 leaves, 31mm tall.

I only have them in G/M with N/S lugs (one pair and a single) and in bronzed with lugs E/W (two pairs)

My personal opinion is that the badges you have shown are all collars except the one with longer E/W lugs. Of course, I wouldn't be surprised if left facing collars were worn in the beret.

Andy

[GriffMJ]

Confused now... on the size of badge thing.

Anyway, its not unusual for collars to be worn in the FFSCap for example. Its certainly seen in other regiments.

[norfolk regt man]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Andrew

Nozzer has pointed out that its the size of the badge that determines what type it is.

The JRG&S hallmarked looks like a collar to me.... with those short fat loops.... whats the date of the HM?

Hi Griff, sorry cant make out the dates, they are so small.

[norfolk regt man]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Confused now... on the size of badge thing.

Anyway, its not unusual for collars to be worn in the FFSCap for example. Its certainly seen in other regiments.

I am confused aswell, the book tells us there is a large and a small silver 8 leaf collar badge, we all have the small type, and the large type ........but only the left hand one.

[GriffMJ]

Andrew

I would say that that was a collar on the size of those loops...... here is the hallmark, I am just trying to establish the date and where, the where has got me because it does not look like a London or a BHAM mark?

The HM looks like "t" - "Lion Passant" - "Lion Passant" ....... the double lion passant is not one I am familiar with?

[norfolk regt man]

Originally Posted by GriffMJ

Andrew

I would say that that was a collar on the size of those loops...... here is the hallmark, I am just trying to establish the date and where, the where has got me because it does not look like a London or a BHAM mark?

The HM looks like "t" - "Lion Passant" - "Lion Passant" ....... the double lion passant is not one I am familiar with?

hi griff, hallmark on this badge is anchor lion W
Makers name is on the left JRG&S

And having now cleaned the solder of the other collar I can see Anchor lion x

[GriffMJ]

Andrew

I think that would make it 1946 then, but it should be Lion-Anchor-letter ..... post 1950 we see Anchor-Lion-Letter but the stamp shape changes. Gilt would have been a service dress metal for the Norfolk officers and silver for Blues I would guess.... based on that I would say its a Blues collar badge?

1934: Gilt = Mess Collars and Bronze = SD