Silver GVIR RMP Officers Cap badge ??

[ORISKANY]

Hello there,

I also have a Royal Military Police GVIR cap badge in silver, with slider marked JRGAUNT LONDON with an upright P at the base of the slider. It was given to me with a silvered - no markings - GVIR collar badge together with a GMP 'Officers' (1st pattern (Bonniface)) cap badge in the 60s by an officer who was leaving The Corps.

Slightly off topic, I see that you have joined the Forum 500 years to the year that Sir Henry Guyldford was appointed as the first Provost Marshal. I think that his picture appears as your avatar. Very fitting and thank you for the interesting history lesson on the badges of the CMP/RMP.

I hope you have many hours of fruitful browsing on this wonderful site.

ORISKANY

[Praepositus]

Hi Oriskany,

And thanks for the kind words - yes the avatar is depicting Sir Henry - the first recognizable Provost Marshal (Army) of whom we have a personal record - and yes the Provost Services celebrated its 500th this summer as a result. The picture is the preliminary, coloured chalk sketch, completed by Holbein in 1527 at Greenwich, when sir Henry was Comptroller of the Royal Household. Rally Provost!

[Tinto]

Hi Jeremy,
Thanks for your comments. I am happy with my badge although the slider is missing.
Good Luck with your collecting.
Cheers, Tinto

[ProCoy]

I was interested to read Jeremy's comments regarding having seen a wartime economy GVIR in silver.
I had only thought of postwar Royal Military Police GVIR badges in silver but recently acquired this one.

Of course with modified badges there is little real way of knowing when a badge was modified, in this case silvered. At the time, or messed with recently ?

Still nice to know that such a version isn't a fantasy.

[Postwarden]

The following may add something to this enquiry.

Army Council Instruction (ACI) 529 dated 16th April 1948 announces new patern badges for the newly-Royal Corps of Military Police. It quite clearly states that officers' badges will be in silver plated metal and that officers should provide themselves with the badges from military tailors when they become available.

Postwarden

[Praepositus]

Postwarden,

Thank you for your post - this is an important post - as I think as although I knew Officers who were serving with CMP when it gained the Royal prefix in 1946, but before there were was a permenant RMP Officer cadres, were permitted to either purchase silver cap badges at their own expense or continue to wear their parent regiment accoutrements, I have never found an authority and you have now most helpfully closed that 'delta'.

As an aside, I know that the officers directly commissioned to serve in the SIB (from 1940 onwards) tended to wear General Service Corps badges, but I also know that officers who entered CMP as direct entrants pre-1946, as opposed to secondments from other Regts/Corps, often commissioned their own silver CMP badges or modified an existing brass OR pattern CMP cap-badge.

Jeremy

[Postwarden]

Further to my earlier post herewith the ACI from 1948 which announces the change of badges on the granting of Royal distinction. In my earlier post I gave the date of the ACI as April but having checked back it was issued on 16th June 1948. Finger trouble, sorry!

Hope it helps

Postwarden

[Praepositus]

Originally Posted by Postwarden

Further to my earlier post herewith the ACI from 1948 which announces the change of badges on the granting of Royal distinction. In my earlier post I gave the date of the ACI as April but having checked back it was issued on 16th June 1948. Finger trouble, sorry!

Hope it helps

Postwarden

Great Post & thank you as it has added real value to my growing knowledge and to my recently acquired Silver GV1R CMP cap badge by J R Gaunt.

[marinus]

Enjoyed this old thread very much.
Here are pictures of my silver plated RMP badge for reference.

Marinus

CMP-BADGE-2-1.jpgCMP-BADGE-2-2.jpg

[marinus]

... and pictures of my silver plated RMP collar badges also for reference.

Marinus

RMP-COLLAR-01-1.jpgRMP-COLLAR-01-2.jpgRMP-COLLAR-02-1.jpgRMP-COLLAR-02-2.jpg

[49lassiepen]

If you are interested in this corps the book you require for ref is
Red cap Insignia & collectables by Colin Carnall 205 pages mostly badges
Just found my collection in an box in the attic have your collars also have the white metal badge page 25 of the above ref
He shows the frosted silver G V1 R cap badge on a slider
Also for your ref G V1 R collar badges -brass ,white metal s/p
David

[marinus]

Thank you, David!

Marinus