Economy Issues in the Corps ? - British & Commonwealth Military Badge Forum

davec2 · #1 12-03-10, 01:14 PM

hello gentlemen,

Andy has posted an album of Economy Issue Infantry badges from the Great War, I have an all gilding metal badge to the RAMC, I thought they had a white metal scroll, not having had much to do with Corps badges in the past, would they have been produced as an Economy Issue too ?

Regards.

Dave.

engr9266 · #2 12-03-10, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by davec2

hello gentlemen,

Andy has posted an album of Economy Issue Infantry badges from the Great War, I have an all gilding metal badge to the RAMC, I thought they had a white metal scroll, not having had much to do with Corps badges in the past, would they have been produced as an Economy Issue too ?

Regards.

Dave.

DAVE, There was a RE economy badge from WW1 but I can't comment on other corps

fougasse1940 · #3 12-03-10, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by davec2

hello gentlemen,

Andy has posted an album of Economy Issue Infantry badges from the Great War, I have an all gilding metal badge to the RAMC, I thought they had a white metal scroll, not having had much to do with Corps badges in the past, would they have been produced as an Economy Issue too ?

Regards.

Dave.

Hi Dave, I think the RAMC white-metal scroll might be Post WWII. WWI economy ASC, RE badges were unvoided, the RA gun badge had lesser voids.

Rgds,
fougasse1940.

Mike_2817 · #4 12-03-10, 04:44 PM

Where Bi-metal corps badges exsisted, I am sure you will find a GM economy version.

The smaller 1904 AOC badge was an all GM design so do not have an economy version.

tonyb · #5 12-03-10, 05:04 PM

Hello all,
According to John Gaylor's book, the all GM badge is post 1902, bearing the title on the scroll.
After the Second World War a GM badge was issued with a WM scroll, bearing the motto 'In Arduis Fidelis'.

Regards Tony.

davec2 · #6 12-03-10, 06:25 PM

Thanks for your time gentlemen,

I will now be quite safe to describe the badge when I list it, as an all gilding metal, WWI badge, avoiding any confusion by calling it an Economy Issue version.

Your time, as always, is appreciated.

Dave.

2747andy · #7 12-03-10, 07:39 PM

Dave,
only Corps to have all GM 1916 or economy badges were, RE, RA, ASC, ADC. AVC... As mentioned the RAMC 1st pattern was in all GM and was not an economy measure! Perhaps anothet album is called for?

Andy

Alan O · #8 12-03-10, 08:48 PM

A minor correction but the ADC is like the RAMC and only comes in all brass.

Alan

jeanpit-frenchy · #9 13-03-10, 05:47 AM

i dont know if is was a "corps" but the women's service AAC ?

2747andy · #10 13-03-10, 10:03 AM

J-P,
I am sure your badge and similar non voided Cyclist and Royal Flying Corps badges are restrikes!

Andy

KLR · #11 13-03-10, 11:29 AM

The AVC badge in the 1st WW was bimetal.
The only corps badges that had any special treatment - described as 'unpierced' - were the RA (and RA TF) , RE and ASC.

I'me beggining to suspect that there may have been other 'unpierced' badges around - not 'official' but made so by manufacturers. It is quite clear that amongst infantry badges there were subtle changes in design that involved less 'piercing' etc.

2747andy · #12 13-03-10, 11:47 AM

Julian,
not so, I was wrong with the ADC, which Alan pointed out. There was an All Brass AVC, (KK 1043) shown below? They are scarce!

Andy

jeanpit-frenchy · #13 13-03-10, 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by 2747andy

J-P,
I am sure your badge and similar non voided Cyclist and Royal Flying Corps badges are restrikes!

Andy

very possible ....

i had buy it on ebay UK a few years ago for one GBP

so non voided cyclist too ?

regards

KLR · #14 13-03-10, 02:12 PM

Andy, all I can do is pass on two facts:
The only 'economy' corps badges authorised by the WO in the 1st WW were as listed above - and this "economising" related to piercing not metals.
Secondly, the WO ordered 15,000 AVC badges on 17th April 1916 - these are listed as Pattern 6199/1904, described as GM and GS (=German silver=WM).
I have no idea about the all GM one you show; unofficial, fake, after the 1st WW or whatever - but it's not a 1WW 'official economy corps badge'.
J

2747andy · #15 13-03-10, 02:25 PM

Julian,
thanks as always to the reference to records! My badge is definately not a copy and has the weight, age and genuine wear to support authenticity. K&K shows an all GM badge in vol 1 (I know it's not always 100% accurate). I went through the other options, that it could possibly be a Bim badge that has lost its overlay (no sign or indication of this!).. Does anyone else have an all GM AVC they could post images of?

Andy