Rank of Staff QuarterMaster Sergeant

[RCN]

Originally Posted by REMEVMBEA1

I would have taken a SQM Sgt to be a Squadron Quartermaster Sergeant rather than Staff Quartermaster Sergeant the same as CQMS (Company) B QMS (Battery) although on googling I came up with this

http://www.spiritus-temporis.com/staff-sergeant-major/

I thought orriginally same - Squadron Qr Mr Serg't - & thats how the medal was sold to me, with that rank, so I assumed correct,

However,

I now have his Service record & its definitely STAFF QR MR SERG'T, the recipient has signed his name, 18 Apl '98, & signed his rank as well:

Staff Qr Mr Seg't" {the e could be an r - somewhat hard to make out}

Bryan

[RCN]

& here is another example (not mine), same unit, this example on an Edward VII LS medal:

Army Long Service and Good Conduct Medal
EVIIR issue:
580 S.Q.M.SJT: J. A. MENZIES. A. P. C.


Bryan

Originally Posted by RCN

Its a great reference but unable to read the captions on the Sergeants insignia!

Bryan

Apologies for the poor-quality images, Bryan. I've enlarged these, please let me know if you need the others too:

Sgt 1.JPGSgt 2.JPGSgt 3.JPGSgt 4.JPGSgt 5.JPGSgt 6.JPG

[RCN]

Those I could read OK Peter, the colour chart (upper one, with the Serg'ts insignia) is the insignia I was referring to,

Bryan

Try these, Bryan; I've split it into four.

If this is no good, I am happy to email it to you.

Infantry.jpgCavalry.jpgArtillery.jpgEngineers.jpg

PJ

[RCN]

The photos are great but unable to read the captions & I would like to be able to do that as these ranks are a learning experience for me, so I will PM you my email Peter,

Bryan.

[RCN]

May not be of use but thought I might mention it in --- I have the medals, insgnia, & many photos of a Canadian Bandmaster in my collection.

During WWI he wore sleeve insignia - 4 inverted chevrons & Bandmaster badge above.

I have taken a scan of him from the larger photo of the Band the day they left for UK, taken in 1915::

Bryan

[grumpy]

All of the sources quoted and illustrated were a good attempt in their time by well-intentioned people. All are flawed secondary sources.

THE secondary source worth bothering with is Major Nicholas Dawanay's The Badges of WO and NCO Rank of the British Army..

It was a JSAHR Special and can be found on Abe from time to time.

Other than that, a judicial use of Clothing Regs and the Priced Vocabs is the way forward.

As for the original question, I am not quite sure what it means!

[johnG]

I have now got it sorted. The chap I referred to was initially a Colour Serjeant. ("Rainbow" to the National Service Londoners posted in for a brief while) doing the job of Orderly Room Quarter Master Sergeant, then was promoted to the rank of ORQMS as a WO2.

So please may I fine down my question.

Not having come across the rank of ORQMS in any other circumstances, can somebody please tell me where it fits into the pecking order: Is a Foot Guards thing, and so adopted by the Inf Bn of the HAC.

Tha nks,

John

[54Bty]

The original question was;

What badge of Rank would a Staff Quartermaster Sergeant in the Army Pay Corps circa 1890 have worn?

[johnG]

The original question was;

What badge of Rank would a Staff Quartermaster Sergeant in the Army Pay Corps circa 1890 have worn?


I stand corrected, and apologise for cluttering up the forum.

Out

Originally Posted by johnG

The original question was;

What badge of Rank would a Staff Quartermaster Sergeant in the Army Pay Corps circa 1890 have worn?


I stand corrected, and apologise for cluttering up the thread.

Out

John,

I am sure Marc (54Bty) was referring to Grumpy's comment in post #23...

Originally Posted by grumpy

...As for the original question, I am not quite sure what it means!

PJ

[RCN]

I have highlighted my request in my first post,

Bryan

[54Bty]

Originally Posted by Peter J

John,

I am sure Marc (54Bty) was referring to Grumpy's comment in post #23...

PJ

Sorry all. Yes PJ is correct.

Marc

As to the HAC (Inf) they have always followed the Grenadier Guards way of doing things, therefore the additional badges of swords and a grenade added to the standard chevrons or badge of rank is their fault.

Marc

[johnG]

Thanks Marc. Of course I knew me old pal PJ was right, and sorry if I took it the wrong way. I know I went off track with the thread, so I have a guilty conscience, but talking to like minded people on this forum is one of my few outlets when I can go for days without actually speaking to anybody, unless it is to swear at my computer. Ask PJ....he regularly comes in for a right ear-bashing from me, bless him.

Best wishes,

john

Edited to add an Easter message. "Blessed are the peace makers......."