unknown to me badges

[ukbrits]

Hi Gents,
2 unknown to me badges may well be of foreign origin. 1 badge in brass the other in anodised aluminium.
I have included a £1 coin for reference as they are both fairly large badges.
Many Thanks in advance.
Colin.

[bobanodised]

The one on the right is air movements , embrodered version is yellow on red armband

[ukbrits]

Thanks Bob,
Is it British Military? R.A.F ?
Regards
Colin

[dragon166]

It is not RAF, their Air Movements Arm Band has the word MOV. embroidered on a red armlet. The Army one is as mentioned above, a yellow wheel on a Red Armlet. See pics. If this was a british Army badge I would expect it to be made of brass and not silvered/white metal.

[zob]

Other than representing a wheel, there doesn’t appear to be any correlation between the armband and the badge shown. Different number of spokes, colour and design.

Zob.

[mike_vee]

Found a cloth badge with a similar number of spokes.

Description :"Wheel - Carpenter, Joiner & Wheelwright (12 Spokes) Guards - Large Khaki Embroidered Army cloth trade badge"

[mike_vee]

Another picture mentions 'white metal'.

[ukbrits]

Thanks Mike,
Certainly does have similar characteristics to your picture. Would help to confirm if someone has a sealed pattern or a white metal trade badge to compare against for a positive I.D.
Regards
Colin

[grey_green_acorn]

Colin,
A couple of metal Carpenter/Wheelright badges here.

I have seen your example described as Belgian Cyclist but .....

Tim

[ukbrits]

Thanks Tim,
You may well be right it's certainly a bit of an unusual badge for the British Army to wear!
Regards
Colin

[mike_vee]

Found a site showing various trade badges , it shows 'wheelwright' in embroidered and white metal. This version appears to show "thread pattern" similar to original post.

"Badge of the "wheeler" or wheelwright could be worn by many ranks up to wheeler major and later by pattern makers, shipwrights, carriage & wagon repairers as well as wood turners & machinists. Shown in white metal and embroidered."

[mike_vee]

Originally Posted by ukbrits

Thanks Tim,
You may well be right it's certainly a bit of an unusual badge for the British Army to wear!
Regards
Colin

Maybe it's a "Sunday best" version of the cloth badge ?

Size looks about the same as one this guy is proudly wearing.

[engr9266]

Australian ??

[leigh kitchen]

"British Army Proficiency Badges' shows the 12 spoked wheel as Wheelwright / Wheelers and other allied trades, worn upper right as Badge 5.

The same / similar "thread patterned" badge as the one in post no. 1 but in white metal (badge 5B) is shown as being "larger" and used by Volunteer units of the Army Service Corps.

An appendix lists the "plain" type without the thread pattern (badge 5A) as being produced in various fabrics and metals including silver anodised aluminium.

Anodised Aluminium badges are noted as being introduced in 1959 in black, in gold and for wear by Light Infantry and Royal Irish Rangers in silver but all were believed to be in the process of being phased out at the time of publication (1984).

Simply a variation of the Wheelright's silver anodised badge, though I wouldn't imagine there's be many of those in an infantry battalion?
A version commissioned by a Yeomanry unit?
Just thinking out loud.

[ukbrits]

Hi Leigh,
Thanks for that, still hoping you maybe right and it is a British Army Proficiency badge.
Certainly an unusual badge, and probably wouldn't have been to popular in a/a in the military as it's a bit of a Bobby dazzler!
Regards
Colin