4th TF Bn East Lancashires

[wardog]

Good research Luke. Regards, Paul.

[Luke H]

Thanks gents.

[Semloh Retlaw]

Originally Posted by Luke H

Firstly I apologise for diverting this old thread from its original purpose but it seems a ‘sleeper’ was posted here which at the time, myself included, the importance of may not have been fully apparent.

I’m sure everyone has heard of the 11th (Service) Battalion East Lancashire Regiment aka the Accrington Pals. They are arguably the most famous of the Pals after sadly being all but wiped out on the first day of the battle of the Somme.

Now since the year dot it’s been universally accepted that they wore just the ‘standard’ East Lancashire Regiment cap badge with no way to differentiate or distinguish from thousands of KC bimetal badges.

Well, I’m proposing an... ‘or did they?’ caveat to this long held and accepted belief.

Walter Holmes (aka Semloh Retlaw) has been a historian and researcher of the Accrington Pals for over 50 years. His uncle, also called Walter Holmes, was an original Accrington Pal joining up as Pte. 15507 in September 1914. By November 1914 the Accrington’s had received their Kitchener blue uniforms and cap badges. In January 1915 Walter gave the badge he was originally issued to his father as a gift. This badge (post #5) has then passed down the family to his nephew giving it absolutely cast iron provenance. Clearly parade and discipline standards were high as the badge has seen a lot of ‘bull’ in that short time, the Sphinx’s ribs are almost polished away, the laurel leaves and crown are well rounded and worn.


Pte. 15507 Walter Holmes’ cap badge
(Picture courtesy of Walter Holmes)

Now having studied Walter’s badge it has some fairly distinctive features which stood out to my eyes and after some investigation to find another badge from the same die it quickly became apparent this type of badge was far from ‘standard’.



Features of note:
* Small diagonal lozenge shaped central jewel and the misaligned large blobby jewel far right
* Clear gap between Sphinx’s backside and wreath (not a hugely common trait)
* Top of the letters ‘C’, ‘I’ and ‘R’ in LANCASHIRE merge into the scroll’s border
* Die flaw in laurel above ‘C’ below rose
* Offset rose overlay
* Shape of internal scroll curls - much squarer on right side
* Top of letter ‘T’ of EGYPT merging into tablet border. Shape of ‘G’
* Tassely tail with a broad tip but thin shaft connecting it to the body

The other thing which hinted itself to me was the badge did not appear to have a slider, although at this stage I assumed it may be broken.

Searching for other badges from the same die I found the below badge. This badge is an earlier strike as some of the flaws mentioned above are not so apparent.



And the back which caused some excitement...



So, clearly originally looped and presence of a Gaunt plaque. Both features certainly not so ‘standard’.

Intrigued I searched the forum and found another https://www.britishbadgeforum.com/fo...unt+Lancashire

Now just to set out I do not believe believe these are old stock Edwardian era badges because: 1. the quality simply isn’t good enough especially the reverse detail/crispness and 2. it wasn’t common practice to put makers plates on WO ordered badges.

It was however a known practice however to attach Gaunt plates to non-WO orders including those by TF units. There is also strong circumstantial evidence this practice was still going on at the start of WW1 e.g. the all GM Notts & Derby Regt with loops and Gaunt tablets that have been attributed to men in the 1/8th and 2/8th Bns, the latter formed in 1914.

At this point I tried to reach out to those with more information on the Accringtons. To my delight and eternal gratitude I was put in touch with our own Walter (Semloh Retlaw) who was able to furnish me with much invaluable historical information about the Accy’s and further details of his uncle’s badge.

The next paragraph is wholly credit to Walter and his extensive knowledge obtained from research of original documents, contemporary local newspaper articles and speaking to those who were there and their family members.

The battalion’s strength peaked at about 1,150 in September 1914. By the time they reached Penkridge camp around 250 had been discharged for various reasons. Most interestingly of all the battalion’s CO Lt Col. Rickman wrote a letter to the mayor of Accrington, Capt. John Harwood, asking for cap badges and wire cutters amongst other things. Originally the mayor had promised the local tailors work outfitting the Pals but reneged on his promise to the townspeople following a far cheaper quote from a big supplier. The blue Melton uniform they originally wore was supplied around the same time as the cap badges as photographs from November 1914 shows them wearing both. This uniform was very unpopular with the Pals who felt it made them look like bus conductors. We also know that if a man lost his cap badge he was charged 2 and 6 for a replacement.

Of Pte. Holmes’ badge itself Walter confirmed that the badge was exceptionally dirty on the back with 2 original loops. He also confirmed that he’d never polished it. Strangely the badge did not have a Gaunt plate on the back but it did have what appears to be a scar behind the crown which was the same colour as the tarnished braze around the loops. Walter also said he was under the impression that all the original Pals badges were on loops. Sadly trying to confirm or allay this by contacting the museum (who it was thought held several original Pals badges) proved fruitless as one of the mere two badges they owned was a very modern fake. Disappointingly but perhaps unsurprisingly adverts placed locally for original Pals badges did not yield any replies.

Unfortunately all the pictures of Accrington Pals I found are not high enough quality to properly examine the cap badge’s finer details. But this picture of original Pals member Pte. (later Sgt.) 18013 Philip Foster may be the Gaunt badge as the shape of laurel and voids looks broadly correct. Also there appears to be the gap between the Sphinx’s bum and the wreath, and finally the tail is quite fine but then tassely at the end. Whilst not by any means definitive I certainly cannot see anything that obviously rules it out. It’s worth a mention that Pte. Foster and Pte. Holmes were mates who lived around the corner, joined up within a few months of each other and were also sadly the last two original members to be killed in the war in 1918.


Picture credit Andrew Jackson (http://www.pals.org.uk/list_fh.htm)

A short while later I was very fortunate to locate and acquire a badge very similar to Walter’s including the heavy discolouration to the back and perhaps rather nicely it also has seen a significant amount of ‘bull’. All of the die flaws on Pte. Holmes’ badge are present on this example.




Now to qualify the above, I’m not by any stretch saying that I believe all looped Gaunt made East Lancs are Accrington Pals badges. But I think it’s very possible, if not likely, that a batch of them were issued to at least some of the original Pals in 1914.

The above is just a theory, and whilst not proof, I feel the case albeit circumstantial is a compelling one. The physical evidence of the Gaunt made badge’s unusual qualities coupled with its impeccable provenance and also fitting Walter’s recollection of original Pals badges having loops does dovetail with the historical information of the letter from the CO to the mayor of Accrington and we know it was relatively common place for benefactors or Pals battalions themselves to finance uniform and kit. So, I think it’s entirely plausible that these badges were either a private order via an outfitters or direct to Gaunt to equip the Pals or existing TF stock being bought up and utilised by them.

Cheers,

Luke

HI Luke. I've been searching for days looking for your response to our Walters Cap Badge. I never did get any responses from all the local web sites asking if any one had a Pals Cap badge, very disappointing, and my mate at Fulwwod thought they had plenty but all they had were two fakes.
I have a lot of our Walters possessions, his wallet, small book and pictures, plus his watch and bore inspector, I even have my father & his mothers first passports when they visited Walters grave annually, plus several books of small Dutch postcards, from the early 1920's still untouched

[Luke H]

Originally Posted by Semloh Retlaw

HI Luke. I've been searching for days looking for your response to our Walters Cap Badge. I never did get any responses from all the local web sites asking if any one had a Pals Cap badge, very disappointing, and my mate at Fulwwod thought they had plenty but all they had were two fakes.
I have a lot of our Walters possessions, his wallet, small book and pictures, plus his watch and bore inspector, I even have my father & his mothers first passports when they visited Walters grave annually, plus several books of small Dutch postcards, from the early 1920's still untouched

Hi Walter,

Great to hear from you and hope you liked the post. Big thank you again for all your help and sharing your years of Accy Pals research and knowledge as well as the memories and family history. You really opened my eyes to the people, town and importantly the background as to how they began. I never would’ve imagined times were so hard and people so desperate to feed their families in 1914 that enlisting was the only option for many. Walter’s story really touched me and I very much enjoyed our correspondence. The most poignant moment was you saying your dad remembered bunking off school near the railway when the news of the casualties arrived via a hospital train and him hearing all the women screaming then running home to tell his mum. What a sad an awful day.

Yes it’s a great shame about the museums badges but in a way I’m not surprised. Happens more often than you’d think. So as of today you are the owner of the only known Accy Pals cap badge with undisputed provenance. With all the other pieces it’s a really wonderful family history I’m sure your grandson as a proud Pals mascot will be carrying on . If I can help ID-ing badges in photos again or with anything else please get in touch.
Cheers,
Luke

[MH331]

Hi Luke,

This is the E LANCS badge I mentioned in my email. Lugs sadly missing cost a whole £2 at a car boot sale about 10 years ago. I never had the heart to get rid of it or restore it as it has fantastic 'patina/grubbiness'

Regards

Mark

[Luke H]

Hi Mark,

Possibly the best £2 ever spent. I believe yours is an earlier strike as it doesn’t have the die flaw above the C in the laurel. Lovely badge and well found. Thoroughly agree with your keeping it as is, has bundles of character.

Regards,

Luke

[Semloh Retlaw]

Originally Posted by MH331

Hi Luke,

This is the E LANCS badge I mentioned in my email. Lugs sadly missing cost a whole £2 at a car boot sale about 10 years ago. I never had the heart to get rid of it or restore it as it has fantastic 'patina/grubbiness'

Regards

Mark

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That Badge is as near as dammit like mine, thas geet a WW1 original Don't part with it.
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[Luke H]

This is claimed to be a photo of Pte. Jack Small of the 11th Battalion, East Lancashire Regiment (Accrington Pals) ref WW1photos.org

His name does not appear on the nominal roll on Andrew Jackson’s website but there is a Pte. John Small 202361.



Yet again we see a clear gap between the Sphinx’s rounded backside and the laurel akin to the Gaunt badges above. Whilst not definitive it is by no means a common characteristic for other ranks East Lancs badges.



Edit: the naming on WW1photos.org is incorrect this is Pte. Jack Smallshaw.

Pte. Jack Smallshaw 15148; of 35 Milnshaw Lane, Accrington; born. 17th June 1896, enlisted. 15th September 1914; served as batman to Capt. Gerry Gorst, Capt. Lewis Hewitt Lewis, Lt. William Farrer Lonsdale, Capt. Harold Wilton and Revd. P. Maskel. died. 26th April 1957. Photo courtesy of his granddaughter. ref pals.org.uk

So clearly an original Pals man who likely received their initial batch of cap badges.

[Luke H]

Sad to lean that member ‘Semloh Retlaw’ aka Walter Holmes who was great researcher of the Accrington Pals and key contributor to this thread, passed away in January aged 92.

https://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...walter-holmes/

Couple of picture of Walter in the newspaper article of him proudly wearing his uncle Walter’s badge.

Rest in peace.

[wardog]

This thread to will be his forum memorial. RIP. Regards, Paul.