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5th (Princess Charlotte of Wales's) Dragoon Guards
I thought that the following might be of interest.
The photograph is of (Lt.) Colonel George Ansell, taken from the 18th September 1914 issue of The Sphere. This was the first week that the Roll of Honour of officer casualties was included in the magazine. Col. Ansell commanded the VDG from 1911 having served under Baden-Powell in South Africa. In the early morning of 1st September 1914, at Nery, during the retreat from Mons, the 1st Cavalry Brigade encountered a German cavalry division. He rode to the top of a bluff to get a better idea of dispositions where he was shot by a German sniper. At the time, he was the highest ranking British casualty of the war. Both his son, Col. Sir Michael Ansell, and grandson, Major-General Nicholas Ansell, followed him into the regiment. In the photograph he is wearing the collars as described in the Dress Regulations of 1904 and1911 (revised in 1915) and a silver VDG monogram cap badge, a pattern not mentioned in these publications. To quote Robthereiver from an earlier post, “...in the RDG Museum at York there is photographic evidence of the officers wearing the monogram cap badge during the Boer War and later”. The badge width is 32 mm, height 38.5 mm and the loops are 13 and 14 mm long (out of round). Presumably the VDG pattern was adopted by all ranks sometime after it was sealed on 30th Jan 1929 (ref. KK Vol2, p8). This followed the amalgamation of the 5th (Princess Charlotte of Wales’s) Dragoon Guards and the 6th (Inniskilling) Dragoons in 1922 to form the 5th/6th Dragoons, renamed in 1927 the 5th Inniskilling Dragoon Guards, with the title Royal added in 1935 (5th Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards). Bill |
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Bill, that doesn't look like a crown on his cap badge, more like the "Ich Dien" plumes, or am I imagining things?.
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Interesting thought, a new pattern 5DG cap badge comes to light...... but I think you are 'imagining things' I'm afraid Cheers Rob
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the word "pareidolia" comes to mind
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Agreed Griff; no other word for it!
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Gentlemen, I bow to your superior knowledge, just a psychological phenomenon, the mind playing tricks!!. By the way, I saw Jayne Mansfield on my toast this morning, she looked great!!.
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Here's another perspective of the badge in question:
http://www.britishempire.co.uk/force...dggkansell.htm Best, Marcus |
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Griff, you were right, a case of pareidolia it was!!. Jane Mansfield went down well with lime marmalade by the way!!.
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Thank god for squaddie humour, That is classic!
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The words "smug self-righteous know-it-all arrogance" come to mind. That old "If I haven't seen it then it can't possibly have existed" idea.
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Completely imagining things.
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Given that all was made clear in post 7 (Marcus) and I acknowledged my mistake in post 8, I can see no reason for you posting this other than Cronyism.
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Just a bit of fun, lost in translation.
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Simon Butterworth Manchester Regiment Collector Rank, Prize & Trade Badges British & Commonwealth Artillery Badges |
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5DG did very well in South Africa, they had been stationed in Natal since October 1899, but, with their Colonel besieged in Mafeking, it fell on the shoulders of Major Gore to see them through the opening of the show in the colony, they had chance to show their skill on the 21st of that month in a very traditional way and one they had been well trained to do.
Has anyone any more details on these monogram cap badges in wear during the war, actually before Vereeniging? Were they metal or embroidered? Did they have a crown, if so, which? Were they made in Great Britain or actually in South Africa? Were they worn on Forage caps or Field Service caps? Quote:
Last edited by Frank Kelley; 20-02-16 at 06:00 PM. |
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