makers marks

[Mike]

Gone back to square one and redesigned the makers marks page.

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/mak...ks/sliders.htm

went for the "thumbnail index" linking to a page devoted to a manufacturer which will include any info we can find on them. (these pages not linked yet)

I think the best thing to do is start a new thread on a manufacturer (or couple of Manufacturers) as a "brainstorming" session to see what info is out there (if any) and consolidate it into a dedicated page for that company.

first new thead Bent & Parker and Buttons Ltd

[Luke H]

Here are a couple of mine that I believe to be less common.







The Cameronians badge is that of a Sgt and is unfortunately slightly damaged.

Can anyone help me in dating the RASC? I believe the crown became raised in 1947ish but I may be barking up the wrong tree.

Cheers,

Luke

[rmarsden]

Macdougall`s London name plate on a Black Watch glengarry badge
hallmarked 1913.

Ron

[Mike]

It doesn't answer your question but it looks like Grove's demise is recorded in the london gazette 1962 (highly likely to be the same company, but not guaranteed):

Name of Company: THE GROVE MANUFACTURING
COMPANY LIMITED.
Nature of Business: BUTTON MANUFACTURERS.
Address of Registered Office: 46 Cherry Street,
Birmingham.
Liquidator's Name and Address: Eric Frederick Lea
James, 46 Cherry Street, Birmingham.
Date of Appointment: 17th December 1962.

By whom Appointed: Members.

[rmarsden]

Macdougall`s London variation this example stamped inside an oval.
This is on 13th CEF officers glengarry.Appologies for quality of scan.

Ron.

[rmarsden]

R G Lawrie Glasgow Edinburgh London tablet on a 1902-36 Black Watch glengarry
Lawrie also made bagpipes & wooden bowels.

[davec2]

Bent & Parker are always marked B&P occasionally with Co or & Co after, they were taken over by Gaunt in 1916.
Fattorini hardly made any military badges except the 1WW vol units, otherwise lapel badges etc - they are still going strong.
J


Hello KLR, I'm a bit late with this thread but can you enlighten the unknowing, are you saying that Bent & Parker never used their full names, just the initials B & P ?? if so, one of my prizes isn't so hot !!
Regards, Dave.

[Voltigeur]

Hello Dave, just happened to catch this topic. I have a B P & Co Ld. B'Ham made DLI KC, does that mean that this badge was made during the WW1 period?
Regards
Jo

[davec2]

Hi Jo, we are both in the dark now, the original part of my thread was written by KLR, I just don't know how to paste it properly to show this.
I am hoping he will come back and tell me if my badge, with all the name on, is in fact, kosher.
As for the time lines, I wouldn'y know where to start, I think that someone like Luke Halls or Malcolm could probably answer that for you, sorry I can't help, I'm afraid that I introduced the word ' novice '.
Good luck, regards,
Dave.

[Mike]

Hi Chaps - the info regarding Bent and Parker is fragmented over several threads.
Your embossed "Bent and Parker" in full badge is certainly genuine in my opinion and modifies the "B & P Co Ltd." abbreviation only theory. I would say that "B & P Co Ltd" abbreviation only stamp is just that, applicable to badges with a stamped makers mark..... perhaps now modified with the exception of some die-cast badges which appear to have the makers mark embossed in full.

As stated Bent and Parker were taken over by Gaunt in 1916, ....but their silver hallmarks appear to have carried on being used until at least 1922, as we have had examples shown on the forum.
The question is then, did the non-silver normal badges also go beyond 1916 with the stamped or embossed makers marks?

I have no evidence, but I doubt it, the persistence of the silver marks is possibly a quirk of the assay process, which allowed gaunt to persist with these hallmarks.


KLR may be the man to shed light on this as he does research in the Gaunt document archives, but of course there is no guarantee any original relevant paperwork survives

[Mike]

I was trying to bring the makers marks info together on some permanent pages, but it sort of died of death:


http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/mak...ks/sliders.htm

the only one with any work done was

Buttons Ltd

...which brings me to ask; can i use your WAAC B&P embossed badge picture ? (should i get a second wind)

[davec2]

Hello Mike,
I assume you are referring to my thread re the WAAC badge, yes of course you can use it, I'm including a photo of the front also and thanks for the re-assurance.
Regards,
Dave.

[Mike]

Hi Dave, yes that's the badge in question. thanks for the use of.


Joachim has one in his impressive OSD Album. don't know if it's marked though.

[Voltigeur]

Hello Dave, due to the time difference I just read your answer and I thank you for trying.
I will continue reading whatever comes up on this and wait for someone to come with something.
Thanks again and Regards.
Jo

[fearnaught]

Hi, I've got a Tank Corps bronze with B&P stamped on the tang.